How are you this evening? Good good bill? Uh yeah, you know yeah doing okay ive been out flying a few drones, not today, but uh. Last few days, good good to hear so we got, we got got a lot to talk about. I found some fun some interesting things to talk about before we get to our a couple of subjects here uh. I just want to go ahead and see whos here in the chat. Uh maddies drone world johnny, drone flyer, michael wright, uh jakes, drone life. Uh lets see who else is here lena oglesby, john olson, who else we got drone shots here. Um lets see who else you guys have been real active ted bowman is here, uh see who else and steven ewing. Of course, all right. Well, as i said, im joined by marcus tonight, which is good and were gon na, were gon na talk were gon na were going to pick marcuss brain about the hubsan xeno mini pro and see whether its it just well get to that in in a minute. Here, uh, but just for some um, you know one of the things that i wanted to talk about tonight was the best budget drone and well well get to that here. But some other thing, um, you know – were just going to get right into into one of these articles here and i saw this uh on drone xl and actually had some had some good pictures of this now this happened up in canada and uh.

You got ta realize something: okay. This was a pretty this wasnt a little insignificant bump, all right, so im going to go ahead and share that article lets go ahead and get that up here. All right lets get there all right now. This is the damage you can see here. Oh i dont even have it on here. Okay, there we go okay. Now this is the damage done to a um canadian police drone destroyed after collision with cessna um, now thats, the kind thats the kind of plane and what youre looking at is the cowling up front where the engine resides and incident took place early afternoon of august 10Th, just northwest of toronto um, a major dgi matrix 210, was launched in support of police operation. The drone was brought in the approach path of one of the runways same time: canadian flyers, international cessna, skyhawk um, its a training aircraft, the pilot and training and the instructor on board. There was no separation. The cessna collided head on with the drone. As a result, propeller knows the aircraft were damaged. Fortunately, aircraft was able to land safely and no one was injured. However, the drone was totally destroyed and here you could see a little bit of a better picture of that and theres. The drone. Okay done absolute total history, uh previous incident, canadian police drone its not the first time uh early 2020 um rcmp helicopter was hit by a drone. So um, you know the old adage.

Is you know? Oh you think nothing will you know its? Not this one was was, could have had some some fatal consequences, marcus you know thats. I saw that. I read that article too and uh well its just kind of stunning that they could be that careless huh thats pretty weird. I i would like to know more about the circumstances uh behind that uh, especially with a drone of that size and uh. You know you saw the damage to the aircraft and it hit the prop too right, so yeah hit the prompt that could have been bad. You know, and the other thing is it was a student pilot um. You know so uh wow. You know how you know. I i know for a fact, because i i know i know some flight instructors and they try to throw curve balls and everything at some of these students, but you couldnt, even you couldnt, even plan that, in your you know, as a curveball yeah that thats a Thats thats a mean ass instructor. If you did that yeah really yeah, something like that, yeah that that was just yeah and i thought it was worth. I thought it was worth mentioning because of the significance of it. Ah johnny minnie s e okay, yeah johnny was saying that that was in the chat there. So i just wanted him to know that i had his drone Laughter. I love that. I absolutely love that i cant help it got ta give marcus an a plus for ingenuity on that one, okay.

I i absolutely absolutely like that now, one of the other articles that i saw today was it looks like our our buddy oceanalev is telling us that it looks like dji may be coming out with a new gimbal camera outfit, a new osmo and im, not not An osmo action, but a big big rig kind of camera here so lets go ahead, um and share this article here um again, this is in drone xl and, if youre looking for these articles, they are posted in build a drone, reviewer, facebook group and page so Uh djis next generation, osmo shonen, leaked photos, okay uh shows, is set up with a zen use x7 like camera and its core initiative: 3 axis gimbal theres, a mechanical dampening of the z axis, a focus wheel, an integrated battery pack and a display its unclear when The product will hit the market and what the price will be um. You know its, it looks that there it is. I mean that wow. All i have to say is one word is expensive: marcus yeah, its uh, interesting uh, billy kyle talked about this a little bit on uh yesterday on drone nation and uh. He basically, what he said is its kind of a natural extension of what dji has been doing. You understand why companies like sony build outfits like this, but dji has become you know more than we think of them as a drone company, but uh theyve really become well established in the camera world as well, so yeah.

It makes a lot of sense doesnt it well. You know, you know you, you think with you know, and you have to understand. You know theyre theyre gimbals, you know i know. Ron has had the what zion, gimbal and and hes had some good hes had some fairly okay success with it and everything, and it shows how important it is to photography these days. You know that a lot of these things that used to be out of reach of normal consumers are within reach of normal consumers. Okay, some you know some of the lower priced end of djis, gimbals and and cameras and things you know, but something like this. You know youre, probably looking 20 30 000. im. Just i just off. I have no idea but thats just a wild wild guess for something like this i mean, but but yeah and theres no theres no date on this or anything. But you know one of the things that i think is good about this marcus is, you know this will also bode well for drone development, and you know the old. The saying has has been around dji. They dont waste technology and you know things that happened in drones. You know trickle on down um, you know same with their cameras, and you know its interchangeable, and i think i think its the same here so um well, see where well see where this ends up and well see how much it ends up costing us.

But the one thing that that im, really kind of curious is um the action two, the osmo action, two theres still its been crickets about that. You know, because i know ron rons anxious to see that camera come out. Well, as am i yeah i it because uh well, theres all those rumors about 8k and all that im, not sure that im so excited about that, but uh you know if if they could improve their stability, one of the things i love about the hero 9, That the osmo action doesnt have is the hero. 9 has a level horizon, uh algorithm in it and its listen if youre vlogging its really cool, because you dont have to worry when youre setting up your camera, you dont have to worry about it being completely level. Itll just do it itself, so just one less thing to worry about, while youre, oh yeah yeah, you know so we see those kind of features the i i just want to touch on one more thing bill, the the the the golden feature for me from either Gopro or from dji with the osmo action is if they could include a wireless mic setup in it, ive yeah and i can speak to that markers having the having the first osmo action um, you know its a fantastic camera. I mean i use it. I use it a ton, i use it a lot more than i thought it was gon na use it, and i really like it, but you know one of their achilles heels in the in in this version was the sound um and theyve had, and they had A problem with the pocket as well too, i think so with sound um.

You know and thats something that you know they do very well as far as the uh photography, videography yeah yeah, but the sound you know, but i got ta say you know. I have mines all set up and geared up and everything, but i think out of the box, you should be able to have something to pick up wireless. I mean just ready to go. You know if not that at least uh be able to to plug an external mic directly into the camera without, like the like, the gopro, you have to put the mod on it with uh, with the osmo action. Youve got that little uh plug in that you got to plug into the usb c port uh. You know you should have that three and a half millimeter uh port, available uh microphone port, at least at the very least at the very least yeah, and you had to get an adapter to put on the osmo action. To do that, i mean mine, looks like you ought to see. I mean its like all frankenstein um with everything on it. I mean you know. Yeah i mean ill. I can pull them both out here, real quick just in case i i suppose everybody in here knows what were talking about, but so so what you have is that you have a port on the side, the usb port and then youve got to use this little Uh im trying to remember the name on the side of this thing.

I cannot remember this, the company that makes this, but you got to uh lets see. If i get this up there, you got to plug it into that usb port, and then you have the microphone port on the back. Well, its just another step that you have to go through and then with the uh with the gopro. The only way you get that port is, if you you, if youve got this uh mod on there, the uh, i cant remember what they call the mod but uh uh yeah anyway, its just a step. You have to go through and i can tell you this is a pain because anytime, i want to change out the battery. I got ta pull the camera out and you know then i can change out the battery, so it just and especially when you have it all, set up youve got it all hooked up. We have to take all that apart. Then you have to take it out. So those are just seems to me that would be simple things that they could correct to improve our workflow tremendously yeah. I agree because you know being able you know to to get and its the same thing with the osmo action to get that out. You have to take it out of the cage and take every disassemble everything and then get the battery out, and then you can put the battery back in the one nice thing that i did like about that adapter it gave you an option for usb port.

In other words, you know so i can download thats one and i dont. I never touch the sd card, because what i do is i put a cable up in there just hook it up hook it up the usb port on my computer and boom. You know i just it just hits the option on the back. Do you want to enable it to your computer? Yes and then boom? I can access photos or or video off it. Super easy dont even have to touch the sd card. Yeah, hey im, getting a couple comments. There people say uh maddies, saying im showing off my toys ill. Tell you what maddie theres theres something serious going on there, because when im out in the field uh, i use primarily, i use that gopro hero9. But if i have a problem with that camera, for whatever reason, ive got that osmo action as a backup – and i use it quite often and theres times – that you need multiple cameras, youre setting up multiple camera angles. So i mean i i i guess it seems like theyre theyre toys, but i have to tell you theyre a big part of my workflow. Well yeah i mean you know and well for me. You know i use that osmo action so much and you know one of the things that that ive used it for previously in the past is you know, ive trained it upon the landing pad um to do takeoffs and landings, and you know to to see how Far, it is off the pad and so forth and then um.

You know just and well one one of the interesting things, and this is just a quick sidebar and i i did watch about 10 minutes of your show last night, but i was super tired, but um i caught the part where billy was talking about um him Sitting in the car – and you know and then all of a sudden, his phone wigs out on him um, you know – and you know i i just it just it just hearkens to me and it just you know you know i had to do that. The other one when i was flying my mini se, because the sun was it had been passed like 9 30 10 oclock in the morning and the sun was at such an angle. I could not cease anywhere. I was outside so i had to go sit inside the car and fly because otherwise i could i couldnt see, and you know he was talking about his screen, getting dim on him and everything and you know it just it just screams to me uh the triple Check, okay, tablet: uh im, just i im just so you know when, when payday rolls around thats going to be on my list of things i so so heres bill, i get i get it. I get exactly what youre saying and im tempted too. Just like you im very tempted to pull the trigger on that triple tech. But again i start thinking about workflow and i start thinking about.

Okay, i get out there in the field and im getting everything set up. Okay, so i guess youd youd either have to get that tablet. Thats, you know got an lte connection on it, so you could hook it into cell service or then you have to uh uh tether it to your phone. So that could because i dont know about you bill, but i i want cell service on my whatever im, using for maps, etc. Uh and and then youre gon na have to have a some kind of a custom mount for that thing and its heavy, and i weigh that im trying to weigh those consequences with okay. How often do i put up with my screen going that dark im just saying that theres things you got to think about right now. One thing i can tell you already is thors drone world. He makes a couple of great mounts and theres one mount itll work. Itll work with the air 2s and also the mini 2, and fits right in there, its perfect and as far as the lte is concerned, thats a super easy thing all you have to do is call up your carrier. Like t mobile tell them, you want to get a sim card for a an unlocked tablet right and its usually like what no more than 10 or 15 bucks a month or something like that and thats. Just super easy. I know verizon that they charge me like 10 or 15 bucks to do something like that.

So yeah thats something thats going to be in the cards for me because, especially in florida with how bright that sun is here. Even you know past 10 oclock in the morning uh, you know until the sun is getting ready to set its just murder out here, especially in the summertime trying to look at that screen. You just cant. Do it and i, like i said i got ta – sit in the car to do that so yeah yeah? No, i i i i understand, uh listen. I was out there. I in fact i the day that i had the uh zeno mini out at the canyon. I had both the the mini 2 and the mini se, and i was doing a comparison and but – and i had plenty of battery on my phone and everything, but by the time i was done with both flights with both of those drones. I mean that screen on my iphone was nearly black. I mean i could still see and then of course, the other advantage that i have is. I i fly that canyon, so much theres, no obstacles so its not like theres anything im going to run into or yeah i mean theres not, but it was very, very difficult to you know: youre youre trying to get the shot. You know you have a shot in your mind that you want to get, and if you cant see that that fpv screen it is one of the most frustrating things youll youll go through as a as a drone pilot.

Oh, i know i know, i know exactly what youre saying, because i only once um with my ipad mini 4. It got so hot it overheated, but the drone was already on the way back and i mean i could physically. You know i could hear it. It was that close, so it wasnt like it was that far away, and i could take manual control if i had to, but it was already doing return to home and it didnt stop doing it. I let it do its thing. So um you know, did you hear billys comment last night about one of his solutions? Is i cant remember what they call it bill? You know samsung better than i do, but that that folding phone? Oh yes, the the z fold yeah. He says that thing is awesome and he says he used it in the bright sun. He says it doesnt dim, and he said it gives you that big screen. He really he was he. He said he uses that all the time that that is probably something thats on on our personal radar list for valerie, and i valerie really likes it because it has. It has the note pen that was in the note series of samsung. It has that capability on it too, and the camera on that its a killer camera on there – and you know its just the screen – is just they have perfected its the third generation of the fold, so theyve kind of perfected things, so its yeah its a lot Better than the previous one johnny is pointing out, though the one uh downside to it.

So sorry, his last comment there, you probably ought to put that one on screen bill. I think, let me let me pull that out. Uh thats, true johnny. That is absolutely true. Yeah it should it should. It should fly, make coffee and go out, go out and get me breakfast in the morning. Yeah yeah. I agree, i agree. Well, you know one of the one of the other things that were going to talk about before we get to the xenomini pro is the best budget drone. Now this is going to be a real shock to everybody. Okay, a real shock here and im going to share my screen. You know i i i know you will all be completely shocked when i bring this up here. Okay, the mini sc all right, its just marcus. You cant get a better drone under three hundred dollars. You cant its just phenomenal and, and let me tell you one of the things that people criticize is that old style controller theres some advantages to that controller when i was flying them back to back this sc with the mini 2 the other day. Obviously i had to use both controllers that old controller, its so much lighter and so much easier to hold and if youre a pincher, it just falls right to hand now ill, acknowledge that your phone underneath and the way it clamps in there. That is a bummer. But its not all bad, i guess is what im saying, but for 299 bucks and the the level of video quality that this thing produces the precision at which it flies.

I i just i i cant har, i cant stop gushing thats the thing. Thank you for bringing up the precision part, because when i had the femi mini okay, you know i i did that the calibration of the remote and i was pointing that stick forward and it was. It was uh doing that shimmying off to the side. Okay and im like im scratching my okay, move, the stick over. Okay, just shimmy, again move the stick over okay, this one i put, i put you know i move that stick forward. It goes the direction i want it to go and and and its uh. Let me tell you also the difference between this and the original mavic mini. Is that uh? You will not get its got a level five wind resistance, so one of the big criticisms of the original mavic mini was all the wind warnings. You would get youre not going to get them with this guy uh. The other thing that ive noticed is that uh, as opposed this one, as opposed to the mini 2, is you dont get any gimbal pitch shift? In other words, you can have this in sport mode now its not as fast as the mini 2. Its not, but you dont have to worry about that gimbal pitching down pitching down as the drone is the drone pitches forward when youre in sport mode yeah yeah. You know – and you know – and i talked about this with ron a little bit last week, but you know i i thought for 299 dollars.

I said oh djis gon na put this in one of those what they call blister packs: okay, that god awful plastic that you cut yourself on when youre trying to get something out. Okay, it comes in a regular box, like every other drone that theyve made. I mean you know they didnt, because they could have pinched pennies there and done easily done something like that, but no they went ahead, they put it in a regular box. I mean you know its a little thing, but its a big thing, because you know how many times have you got cut when you were trying to open up one of those blister packs. I hate lester packs. Oh, you know its just like you know, on amazon a lot of times you can look to see, you know um something youll get itll, say blister pack or blister free pack. You know its just like you know ill wait. A couple of days extra to get a blister free pack, i mean its ridiculous having, but you know its just a a little thing you know, and then they include all the you know. All the manuals are included in there. All the cables are included in there. Um two usb cables and your cables that work yeah, yeah yeah, yeah theres, a yeah theres, a theres, a you know, screwdriver in there to change props i mean you know you have everything in there, its just its just and for 299 whats, not to like about It you know absolutely in that, and – and you also touched on a really important point too – that level five wind resistance: okay, because you know the youre right, the original mini one of the big knocks was you know the wind, and you know i had mine out In some pretty it was, it was like about 10 15 miles an hour when i couldnt even tell it wasnt wasnt it didnt phase it at all.

No, no issues whatsoever with that. No, i understood none. So you know for 299 dollars. You cant go wrong. So, in other words, this was kind of a slam dunk and it you know i mean, and you know in in like weve, like weve said you know ron and i talked about you know the mini three, probably coming in november sometime, you know in in it And a lot of people, i got some comments on some of my on on my one of my mini se. Videos like oh, you know isnt. This should dji have waited. Should they should they wait to put this on? No okay, because you know what theyre theyre theyre getting its its a perfect starter, drone? Okay and when you get bent with this bug, okay, you know if you get and you get the right drone youre gon na become a hobbyist like us. Youre gon na enjoy this youre gon na have a lot of fun. If you get the wrong drone like a femi mini okay um, you know youre gon na say. Why did i even think about this? Okay? Why do i even want to get into it? Okay and then you get a drone like the mini se and its just like its a whole whole different ball game, the ball games, change or something like that so hey bill. Drone guy is saying that on in the chat that this guy has the same.

Uh motors and escs and props as the mini two, so i im sure thats true and rick smith was saying the same thing uh, but there is a difference in in speed, both vertical speed and horizontal speed with this guy. So my theory is that they they, it must just be how far they let the drone pitch forward yeah, i think youre, right and and tuning uh. You know with regard to to the motors yeah yeah yeah, that that makes a lot of sense that that really does um. You know now, one of the things here you know this is this is what everybodys been waiting for? Okay, marcus is our is our now. Our zeno mini pro resident expert here, okay uh. He has it in hand, hes flown it and you know lets just you know, lets get into it. You know what you know. First of all, i know you had and everybodys probably seen the video your cable issue, marcus, im, serious yeah, so i was clear out there at the snake, river, canyon and uh. You know ive had cable issues with hubs and drones before so i probably you know, should have been prepared and had an aftermarket cable with me. I didnt, but anyway i got out there. I i got the drone off the ground, for just a few minutes got a disconnection it auto landed in the dirt, which was, you know, really fun uh, but uh.

It was just a struggle. Getting the darn thing into the air. Just had one problem after another. So i got home, i was pretty discouraged. I got home and uh and i got one of my aftermarket cables that i think i used on the on the xeno2 one of those anyway hooked it up and nana popped it up and it worked fine. I had a decent connection. I just went to the schoolyard next door, but that wasnt the end of the issues with the drone, its uh. I guess you know i i thought it really. Actually i thought it flew pretty good uh. I have some quibbles with the with the controller controller feel, but but but really probably the most stable hubsan drone that ive ever flown. I mean it hovered really well, and and uh had no complaints with it moving around or anything like that, uh, the the i the one for one of the first things i tested was the uh obstacle avoidance, uh, obstacle avoidance uh, it just didnt work. Well. For me, uh i messed around with it a little bit and honestly just didnt trust it. While i was uh while i was doing that uh and it was bill, it was about 82 degrees that day it wasnt terribly hot uh, but the the darn thing overheated. It shut down obstacle avoidance, it shut down, video recording, so i shot it straight up and flew it a little bit and and to cool it off, and so i could start recording again tested out the zoom on it.

They had just done the firmware update to make the digital zoom work its got six times. Digital zoom. The problem with the zoom was what you see on your fpv screen and what you get off of the internal memory or two different things: it. It kind of moved. I guess i think it was to the left as you zoomed in so its not like. You can zoom in on a point of interest, so ali shan mao noticed that too – and i know hes got an end with some of the hubs and engineers and so hes talking to him about that uh then i guess i also am im really im very Disappointed in the video, if you, if you look at the video quality as soon as i take off there, the sky is all blown out the and i was flying it in automatic thats. All they had available at that time. Uh there is, if you, if you look, i look at ive, got a 32 inch curved monitor. I can see a lot of shaking in the video micro shakes. I call them a little bit of jello uh, just a just a disappointment. I landed the drone, then yeah on low battery brought it in and, of course, its got this cover on the bottom, and they make no bones about that. That is for for heat. They dont want you to burn yourself with the drone and uh boy theyre not kidding.

I mean i picked it up and you could not touch the bottom of this drone. It was blistering, hot and im sure. If id have kept my finger on it, i would have got some burns. I mean it was. It was that hot so and, like i said it overheated on me just while i was hovering and flying it around close to the ground, so wow, you know, you know well welcome ron, hello, a gentleman um and everybody in the chats tonight. Uh thanks for having me on here uh, i hear you got a good discussion going on in the on the hubsan xeo mini pro there um. I i just wanted to ask marcus a question: what heats up faster, the xeno mini pro or your iphone dimming? What what happens first, yeah! Let me finish what i was talking about first ron and then ill answer that theres a joke. Sorry, they just throw the show yeah yeah yeah, no, no thats, okay uh! So so it was uh with with regard to uh kind of two different issues there, but ill take the dimming of the phone any day, because at least you have control of your drone at that point uh, but uh, but uh. Where was i at? I guess you you were talking about the you know it being so hot. You couldnt touch on the bomb after a a flight, yeah yeah, yep uh. So a drone guy is saying, first or second a week of november to fix it then youll have something better to fly well lets hope i dont know what theyre gon na do, but they better do they better do something uh.

The other point that i wanted to make was the fact that i paid for this drone on may 7th three and a half months later i get the drone. What were they doing for three and a half months? I you know: listen, i paid uh 589 bucks for this drone and of course i got two batteries and and uh uh a case and 128 gigabyte, internals right and so forth. Well, that is significantly more than i paid for my mavic 2 fly more combo, so i paid more for this than the equivalent dji drone uh and they had my money for three and a half months. My expectation when i got this thing was to have a drone like we get from uh from dji, a drone that that actually works. That does what it says its going to do. That flies and gets good video. We didnt get that from hubsan and uh and its its just no good its, not good its its, not how you treat your consumers. You know we were talking through about that marcus um. You know i i i know you were in on discussion and ron, and i had this too, that you know we we wanted. You know, for we wanted this to be out of the box with maybe a firmware update, because you know with dji. You know theres almost always a firmware. There could be little things absolutely little things yeah, but to do what it said, what they, what what hubsan has been telling that this drone is going to do and to do it without any having to go through any connections or any any kind of voodoo or Anything like that out of the box, you know you know yeah and it sounds to me.

You know what like one of the only things it was stable: okay, um, you know now thats something for a hubsan drone out of the box, because i know i know you had especially with the xeno2 marcus. You had your you know, going up and down and all right, marcus had one like to dance a whole lot. Yeah it was, it was dance on and this seems stable, but everything else. Okay, the obstacle avoidance, the heating issue on it, the camera on it. You know its its like, okay are, we are we femi mini 2.0? Here you know kind of kind of a thing, because you know you know my teaming mini is long gone and i uh. I wish whoever bought it all the best of the luck in the world with it, because you know that that was thats just a problematic drum. Oh, you know youre preemie mini bill. Yes, i did yeah, i i i had i and i and i had no regrets zero regrets bill. Youre, smart youre, the smartest man on this show. Can i get off the news. Can i give you some news on this guy as well whats that its all its all fixed now, its all sunshine, lollipops and rainbows, now thats it, i hope, thats, the news marcus is going to deliver yeah yeah, yeah, ronnie boy dreaming brother got a hold of Me and they said hey, they sent me some firmware for it and they said try this.

We think that might help your problem. I did i had this guy out at the canyon again yesterday and if anything, the gimbal was worse than ever, just all over the place uh. So i reported back to femi and they said you know what they said just send it back to us and well. Well, send you another one, so you know that theyll at least get im gon na, send it back to them and and uh theyll look at it uh. You know what we can say is. We know there are some people that have got some good ones. I think johnny drone flyer, he says his works: okay, uh ive, seen al duran ive, seen video off of his that looks pretty decent from what we can see uh. However, i know more people that have had bad ones. You ron our friend john cooper, ive had three of them that so its this there again at least this at least this one was priced reasonably and i ordered it and had it within. You know a couple of weeks after i ordered it, but yeah anyway, but im gon na im gon na keep reporting john cooper. Here it was priced at 319 for his people beginning, but id rather paid a hundred dollars more and got a drone that worked so that he meant nothing to me uh, because i got a drone that essentially you talk about the hubsan knockdown. Am i supposed to do the phoebe dont even get off the ground decently or whatever for me anyways? My thing hey, i dont know if you guys address this, but you know a bigger issue to marcuss.

You know semi review here of the uh hubsan xeo mini pro um, when we were watching the videos – and i wont even name any names when we were watching the first couple of videos coming out of asia with people who got the drone and were doing videos. Theyre both two guys i dont – want to throw anybodys names under the bus. These two guys report a lot less issues than marcus was. Did we think that they were kind of you know not telling the whole tale build? Do you think yeah? I think they were holding back out. I mean uh uh, i dont know maybe im over overstepping no youre, not no youre, not because you know, if anything, okay, im going to say this, okay, the three of us we dont have any. You know what i will call allegiance to hubsan. Okay, we like their semi, you know ill use. The word quotes like their products, okay and and we we, you know, we enjoy testing them and everything, but you know its on. You know – and i know you and i know marcus okay and you know what marcus is not going to sugarcoat anything. Okay, hes going to say it like it is all right bill. Can i amend that for a second heres? What i try and do is i just try and just show what my actual experience is right, just just what it is thats it. No, no, no, no agenda, it speaks for itself; in other words, it speaks for itself.

You know and heres. My 60 000 question to you, marcus and i id like to get your thoughts on this as well too ron is, or the issues that you experienced with the xenomini pro will a firmware update, take care of them. Yeah, listen not just one firmware up there, yeah seriously, i mean no im, not joking. I mean this is going to take like the 001, its going to take a series of firmware updates coming out over over a month, because you know i mean anybody theyre going to theyre, going to fix things break other things. So its going to take several rounds. Ron ron, it doesnt even have all the features activated yet so they need firmware updates just to make it all those features that they advertised be live on the drone right. I know a lot of people are excited about the features and thats why they got to drove, but they need to just they need to before. They worry about any more features. They just need to have everything as operational now be a hundred percent, then it flies and the camera works. So to your to to answer your question bill and ron – and i both went through this with the original hubsan xeno when you first saw the camera on that drone, you would have said ah theres nothing they can do about this, but you know what they gradually Refined it and im not saying that the camera was anywhere near dji quality, but it was pretty good and and can they improve this thing i dont know what i worry about.

The most is uh. What youll see in the video that i that ill, that im working on the edit right now i had it out over the canyon. It was fairly windy and youll see a lot of shakes in that video and youll see a lot of jello. So is that something that can be fixed with firmware or is it something thats endemic to the hardware on the gimbal? I i cant tell you, i dont know wow. What are your thoughts ron? Yeah? I mean i, oh my thoughts are only you know, watching marcuss videos and the you know the guys that have it in asia and uh yeah its definitely possible that the gimbal issues can be fixed. Uh uh, you know through through firmware, i mean uh. You know, i mean we cant, you know glenn marston, we cant say whether its mechanical or software but uh. You know theres 50 50 chance that it could be fixed through uh, a software i mean the uh xeno1 gimbal got better as we moved along through the firmware updates and when marcus referring to the xeno1, he had a focus issue like it focused on what was Up close to it and blur was in the background kind of the opposite of what you would want to do whatever and, and they easily fix that and from watching marxs video and watching the guys from asia. This doesnt seem like it has the crazy lens flare issue that the z02 have, which was uncorrectable so im going to say a lot of something camera you know, uh uh could be corrected, also uh uh uh, i sure hope so ron.

I i think the big i think the biggest concern that marcus, which mark is wisely points to is the overheating issue thats the yeah. That is the hardest thing to uh, to correct somebody in the chat mentioned well turn the bit rate down to um. You decrease the heat on it and yeah that that may be a good hack work around for sure, but i mean you bought a drone because it had 200 bills. Now you have to set it down like 60 bit, you know uh. Did you get a refund for uh flying at a lower bit rate? Hey bill? Stephen ewings got a great comment up there: uh hes, saying okay, but its pretty good good enough for the cost and ill answer that stephen, i i dont think so, because you know a lot of people purchased this drone. Well, you saw all the hullable you dont get the attention of people like like rick smith and young 360, and and sean over at air photography. Theyre all audrey aldrin aldrin estacio is interested in it as well theyre interested in it, because the promises that hubsan made of the quality of that big sensor in the camera, and all that, let me tell you this little mini se. Right here has got twice the camera as that, as that hub syndrome, im just telling you yeah and we keep comparing this drone to the uh, the the the dji mini 2, whatever, but really now this isnt in reality, but in the spec sheet and youre.

Looking especially, it compares more fable into the air, the air 2 series than the mini it should because if you just go in that spec sheet, you know youre absolutely right ron. In fact, i really think the camera just the pure camera quality as it sits, and we all know that this femi camera has its problems with vignetting, etc. But im saying the quality of the camera that i saw on this is better than what ive seen on that xeno mini. Now i got a question for you, marcus and its about the obstacle avoidance. Okay – and this is just a and – and i and i know theyve kind of touted it, and they said you know, this is the first drone, 249 grams, with obstacle avoidance, okay and all this okay. You know – and i know – and i saw your video okay and my question – is this and, and i dont know the answer – i couldnt find anything on this, but the obstacle voice is it? Is it just to warn you or should it stop the drone? Oh, it breaks in fact theres a slider in there that you that that you turn on and it will actually break and and what hubsan has promised is that eventually itll have what dji calls a pass. Itll actually move around: okay, yeah, okay, yeah! I should say that yeah we heard that from ali shaun mao, so okay uh, but the reality was it was just – was not reliable and my ive got a theory that i think that that that obstacle avoidance was using so much processing power that thats.

What overheated the drone and and caused some of those issues? Okay, just a theory – youre, probably right – i mean you know they probably have stuffed a lot inside such a little little frame there. Okay, thats, probably one of the issues, the other one is you know and ron – and i had talked about this – i know it was last week or the week before about you know having enough ports to cool that drone off. Okay um. You know you know, and i know weve talked about this and we broached that subject before you know. Youre gon na be forward thinking with something like this. You got ta know in terms of from an engineering standpoint, you know and thats why im trying to get rick smith on and im trying to get hopefully get them on next week, but from an engineering point they put, i think they put, they tried, they wanted. The kitchen sink: okay, they got the kitchen sink, but you know what they they for. They forgot the faucet okay, they for they forgot a way of being able to cool things off with this yeah. It makes me wonder because im looking at the drone now bill uh, you know if you, if you look, if you compare with uh, either ill ill pick up the uh fema here in a second. They all have vent this. This has a those two vents in the front. I dont see any vents on the front of of the uh hubsyn drone and if you look on top of this guy look, you got that big vent on top so that its getting flow through airflow well, marcus.

A lot of our armchair engineers turned the drone around backwards and show the large openings in the arms the front arms see the the large the other way. Oh yeah see those large theres lot yeah. Now you can see marcus theres large openings at the back of the arms theyre, much larger than on dgi drones, and they were thinking thats a possible release. Point for heat, the large oh youre, talking about this okay yeah, but the front arms look at look at! Look where the front arm connects to the body the other way around toward you and towards you see its a big hole there, much bigger than the dji drones. Yeah youre right, hes, not being built yeah youre right about that. But the thing is its not really a hole. I mean theres thats, not here get through there. I dont think so. I dont know then theyre wrong, thats again so arent your speculation, that that was a heat release, point yeah yeah i mean you can put that full screen for a second. If the audience wants to see it, but is that is that black we see there? Is that rubber yeah, no thats thats the wire going into the car? Okay yeah? I think bills gon na um, yeah im sorry bill. I didnt put the three dots on marcuss uh uh window: hey that didnt work youre looking good, though yeah thats, better yeah, thats. Good enough, they can see it there uh, but yeah yeah.

So anyway, i i dont see where air is going to get out of there anyway, okay. Well, it could be. Maybe you could poke some holes in there marcus and uh and get some air flow going. Yeah now one of the things i wanted to, let you guys know about you know: ive been communicating with my contract at hubsan us and i havent heard back from him in over a week. So i emailed him again today and its been crickets. Okay and its been crickets ever said now, heres something else, and i dont know if you guys can answer this question or on. I posted it in the group today im just curious as to how many people in the uh i know theres plenty of people up in canada that have it, but in terms of you know, besides marcus, i really dont know anybody in the united states greg pittman Yeah: okay, because theres been hubs in the u.s has been silent. I mean its been its been silent for over a week, but one of the interesting things that i looked at on hubsan uss site is: they have accessories to be able to purchase. Of course, its all grayed out, but they have extra batteries, they have that battery butler as they call it. They have a case, they have props, i mean they have every kind of accessory you want, but its all grayed out, you know in you know its just its just kind of funny how all of a sudden that communication flow has just stopped its just ceased.

Now. Last he told me: okay, he said the drone would become would be shipped sometime this week, thats what the last thing that he said well, the other thing thats worth mentioning with regard to hubsan 2 is their customer service, and i intend to look into that now. I will say: uh ali shanmel got a hold of me and asked me to send him the uh, the flight logs uh from the drone and that he was gon na then uh send them to the engine the hubsan engineers. So i did that so im anxious to see if they you know if they come up with anything uh, but if not im gon na give it a few updates and if its still as problematic as its been uh im gon na see im gon na test Out the uh, the hubsan customer service and their support and well just see how it is right. I mean with that yeah when i first got my mini too. I had an issue and dji. I said they. They sent me a prepaid label. I sent it back to him. I had it back to me in about a week and a half right, uh thats, the same experience youll expect to see from hobson uh well for the price i paid. Why shouldnt? I expect that exactly. I agree, and you know marcus brought up a real good point. You know he got his on may 8th um.

I bought mine on may 18th ron. What did you get yours? Well, i ordered if the seventh was a day marcus order. I ordered that same day, but they didnt take the money from paypal until the 10th – okay, okay, but but i i dont know why? Because i you know marcus ordered in the. If, for me, would be the am hours of the of the seventh and i ordered in my am hours, i got up that morning and ordered like at 7 00. Am you know my time whatever so i ordered hours behind marcus, but i dont know why those couple hours made my paypal thing made the again i dont know i cant explain the process, but i know that my paypal now says the money was taken on the 10Th yeah mine shut mine real quickly here bill at this point. If it takes a longer, i just want to write him say just roll me over for the hopsonzito mini 2 yeah, which will be which will be out in about six months. Yeah yeah. You know ron, i you could be touching on something. You know the first generation of this product im going to tell you this when i checked the that first battery that i used, you know how you can look in the in the battery section on the in the app it already had three cycles on it and It was a brand new drone right or supposedly a brand new drone.

Could this have been a one that they used for testing? I mean how did that battery get three cycles on it right? I dont know so. Unless they you, they they test lies in the factory they just turned on for a second, i wonder: if greg pittmans arrived in the same condition, you are because, if greg, if greg wouldnt have got it, i would have said. Well, they yours, you know you, you know you, they just sent you one because of your channel whatever you didnt get a regular consumer copy, but this is great. Pitman got the same yeah it kind of throws a monkey wrench. In my theory i can. I can answer a little bit of that question and – and there was another channel that showed the same thing, gregs is having a problem with his hes got a blue tint in his video, and he was asking me about it and i said man greg. I got no clue and i saw that one of the other reviewers i dont know where indonesia or something im not sure where he was at. He had the same issue so yeah i dont know well yeah. I i do. I do like the color blue stuff. Its going to be a tit miles will be 10, do a color that i, like you know. You know we were all you know and and ron, and i kind of talked about this a little bit last week, marcus its like you know, we were brushing some things aside: okay, the the disastrous live show that hubsan had.

It was just a total disaster. Okay, its like okay, you know what thats fine, they probably you know they probably dont, have the have the staff and the pr people and all that and thats. Okay, all right and we kind of pushed that aside and said you know what lets kind of give them the benefit of the doubt. Uh. You know the xena is improved, so you know maybe they did hit something here. Okay, now you know i did watch that video from you know a couple of a couple of friends over in in in you know, and you know, uh, ali shah and um, the other gentleman you know i did watch some of that world explorer and l3 toys Has one flight video out right? You know, and you know it seemed like it seemed like it was hopeful. You know from from from some of these videos that i watched but hearing what you know watching marcuss, video and hearing him and hearing about what happened with greg pittman here you know its kind of like um, you know here we are again kind of a thing And and marcus is right, the other thing was, you know for what we paid for this drone. Okay and im gon na say – and i know we had already talked about this – you know out of the box with maybe a firmware update. It should be good to go. There shouldnt be any questions i i should.

I get one more thing that that i should add here, so i get an email uh this morning from banggood. Now i didnt buy this from banggood. I bought it directly from hubsan, but i got an email from the people at banggood asking me if i would take my video down and they would put me directly in touch with hubsan. So of course i said no, no im not going to do that. Im. Not gon na take my video down uh, but i just thought that was a little bit of an interesting development. Was that just bang good, you know wanting to make sure they could still sell hubs and minis or what was it hubsan speaking through banggood? I i have no idea yeah the plot, the plot thickens here or whatever and again i politely declined. Yeah good. Thank you marcus and you know yeah back to you know marcuss. You know well say you know honest review to compare it to and i i dont know im not. I dont throw any channels under the bus, but world explorer did a video where he did a rage test with the xenomini pro and, and he said it, it got further out and had better signal connection than the mini two did ron. He did a night flight and he probably flew it a thousand feet in the air but uh ron. Let me let me let me tell you this without spoiling my next video.