ALEX LETS START WITH YOU.. You KNOW IT REALLY HASNT IT DIDNT START ON TIME ON FRIDAY. NOR YESTERDAY., NOT SURPRISED THAT IT HASNT STARTED ON TIME TODAY.. We THOUGHT IT WAS BECAUSE WE SAW THE JUDGE ENTER THE COURTROOM JUST BEFORE 9.. He JUST WALKED BACK. OKAY. IM TOLD THE JUDGE JUST WALKED BACK IN AGAIN.. Why THE DELAY WELL LOOK KYRA. This HAS BEEN NOW A TREND FOR THIS TRIAL AND FOR THIS CASE REALLY. AND, QUITE FRANKLY, ITS BEEN A SOURCE OF FRUSTRATION., THIS PARTICULAR RECESS. They TOOK AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF TODAY STILL KIND OF WAITING TO GET DETAILS AS TO WHAT WAS THE CAUSE BEHIND IT.. But, LIKE I SAID, I MEAN THIS HAS BEEN A RUNNING THEME WITH THIS TRIAL AND IT WAS A SOURCE OF FRUSTRATION WITH THE JUDGE AT THE END OF YESTERDAY, BASICALLY TELLING BOTH THE DEFENSE AND PROSECUTION HEY. We HAVE TO GET THIS TOGETHER AND PUSH FORWARD.. Its ALSO BEEN A SOURCE OF FRUSTRATION FOR THE FAMILIES. WEVE HEARD AHMAUD ARBERYS MOTHER WANDA COOPER JONES. Yesterday, AFTER COURT WAS IN RECESS, COME OUT AND BASICALLY SAY: LOOK ALL OF THESE MOTIONS ARE JUST SLOWING THINGS UP. AND MAKING THE WHEELS OF JUSTICE NOT JUST MOVE SLOW, BUT IN HER MIND, ALSO GRIND TO A HALT.. Thats CERTAINLY BEEN A POINT OF FRUSTRATION FOR HER AND HER FAMILY., BUT LOOK YOU LOOK AT THE DURATION OF THIS TRIAL, WHETHER IT BE THE JURY, SELECTION OR THE MOTIONS? Last WEEK. WE THOUGHT THAT THE TRIAL WAS GOING TO BEGIN MONDAY OF LAST WEEK.

. Then WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BEGIN WEDNESDAY. DIDNT BEGIN UNTIL FRIDAY., AND NOW THIS CONTINUATION OF DELAYS AND LITTLE SIDE BARS HAVE US LOOKING AT A TIMELINE THAT MIGHT EXTEND INTO NEXT WEEK.. These JURORS WERE GIVEN A RANGE OF DATES, SAYING THIS TRIAL COULD POTENTIALLY END BY THE 19th. THATS THAT FRIDAY BEFORE THE WEEK OF THANKSGIVING.. So YOU KNOW THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THATS, CERTAINLY IN THE BACK OF THE MINDS OF JURY. How CLOSE THIS BUTTS UP TO THE HOLIDAY IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THE JUDGE IS AWARE OF AND ITS SOMETHING THAT THESE FAMILIES THAT ARE INVOLVED ARE AWARE OF AS WELL AND HOW THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY IMPACT A JURY. Trying TO MAKE A VERDICT IN THIS CASE. WERE SEEING LIVE. Pictures NOW JUDGE TIM WALMSLEY THERE.. He HAS TAKEN THE BENCH IN DAY THREE OF TESTIMONY HERE IN THIS TRIAL. TALKING TO THE JURORS RIGHT, NOW. HES TALK ABOUT THE JURORS RIGHT NOW., THE JURORS HAVE NOT STEPPED IN YET. SHOWS GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH ATTORNEYS. OKAY. CLEARING UP SOME ISSUES BEFORE THE JURY. Actually COMES IN. MARK OSLER LETS TALK ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE SEEN SO FAR IN THE PAST FRIDAY YESTERDAY AND NOW TODAY., JUST THESE GRAPHIC IMAGES, THE BODY CAM, SEEING THE DEATH OF AHMAUD ARBERY AND WHAT LED UP TO IT. THE CRIME SCENE. Photos. I MEAN THEYVE BEEN SO GRAPHIC, SO DETAILED.. What DO YOU MAKE OF THAT? Because IT HAD SUCH AN IMPACT EVEN ON DAY ONE ON THE FAMILY.

AHMAUD ARBERYS MOM COULDNT, EVEN STOMACH IT. SHES COVERING HER EARS.. She HAD TO LEAVE THE COURTROOM AT ONE POINT., EVEN JURORS, IMPACTED BY WHAT THEY SAW. REPORTS OF JURORS, LOOKING DOWN LOOKING AT THEIR NOTES, CLEARLY SHAKEN BY WHAT THEY WERE SEEING.. This REALLY. The OUTCOME OF THIS TRIAL REALLY HINGES ON JUST THE GRAPHIC NATURE OF WHATS BEING PRESENTED WITHIN EVIDENCE. So FAR. YEAH. – AND YOU KNOW ONE THING ABOUT A MURDER CASE – IS THAT THE ELEMENTS ARE USUALLY PRETTY SIMPLE. HERE: THE ELEMENTS OF CAUSING THE DEATH. You KNOW THE GRAPHIC IMAGES CERTAINLY SHOW THAT DEATH OCCURRED.. So THE QUESTION IS IT TOO PREJUDICIAL? Is IT TOO UPSETTING THE WAY THATS GOING TO EMOTIONALLY PUSH JURORS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. ITS A TOUGH BALANCE.? The JUDGE HAS DECIDED TO ALLOW MOST OF THOSE, OR AT LEAST SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF THOSE IMAGES, IN. AND WEVE. Seen THE AFFECT THAT ITS HARD.. You KNOW THE KEY QUESTION HERE IS GOING TO BE ABOUT THE DEFENSES ABOUT WHETHER IT WAS SELF DEFENSE AND THINGS LIKE THAT., BUT ITS HARD TO IMAGE WHY THOSE IMAGES ARE DEEPLY RELEVANT TO THOSE PARTICULAR QUESTIONS., NOW ITS KIND OF A TRADITION THAT JUDGES, LET IMAGES LIKE This IN IN THIS TYPE OF CASE. THERES, A COUNTERCURRENT., A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WOULD SAY, BECAUSE THEYRE NOT VERY RELEVANT TO SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY AT ISSUE THAT IT WOULD BE WISER TO LEAVE THEM OUT.. Why IS IT A TRADITION, ITS SOMETHING THAT PROSECUTORS HAVE BEEN GIVEN OVER THE YEARS? Frankly, THE ABILITY TO BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE TO SHOW THAT DEATH WAS CAUSED, AND IT DOES GO TO THAT TO SOME DEGREE THAT ITS BEEN ALLOWED.

. However, THERE ARE JUDGES OUT THERE, THERES EVEN PROSECUTORS, OUT THERE, WHO ARE GOING TO PULL THEIR PUNCH A LITTLE BIT AND NOT PUT IN THE WORST MOST GRAPHIC IMAGES IN PART OUT OF CONSIDERATION TO THE VICTIMS, FAMILY MEMBERS AND OTHERS. Who WILL BE THERE.. So IF YOU WERE A PROSECUTOR, IN THIS CASE YOURE A FORMER PROSECUTOR, HOW WOULD YOU HANDLE SUCH GRAPHIC, VIDEO AND PICTURES? Certainly THE VIDEO THAT WILLIAM RODDIE BRYAN TOOK THAT WILL BE RELEVANT AND YOURE GOING TO HAVE TO SHOW THAT. SOME OF THE PHOTOS OF THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL HARM THAT WAS DONE BY THE GUNSHOT WOUNDS. I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE JUMPED THE OTHER WAY ON THAT AND NOT BROUGHT THAT IN.. Let ME ASK YOU ABOUT THAT. By THE WAY THE JURY IS WALKING INTO THE COURTROOM. Now., YOU CAN SEE EVERYBODY. The JUDGES ASKED THEM ALL TO RISE.. Let ME ASK YOU ABOUT WITH REGARD TO THOSE ALL RIGHT. THEYRE, NOW BEING SEATED., LETS GO AHEAD AND LISTEN IN MARK. ILL, FOLLOW UP WITH YOU AS WE LISTEN. ITS DIFFICULT IN THE CORNER TO SEE THE BIG BOARD.. Do YOU HAVE A FULL VIEW? Okay.? I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. IVE GOT ALL 15 PRESENT.. Ladies AND GENTLEMEN, WELCOME BACK.. Hopefully EVERYBODY HAD A GOOD EVENING.. We ARE READY TO CONTINUE WITH THE PRESENTATION OF EVIDENCE IN THIS CASE.. Is THE STATE READY TO PROCEED? Yes, YOUR HONOR. The STATE IS READY. AT THIS TIME THE STATE WOULD CALL OFFICER JEFFREY BRANDENBERRY.

, ALL RIGHT. OFFICER, BRANDENBERRY. YOUVE BEEN SWORN IN. Yes, MAAM. ALL RIGHT., PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL IT FOR THE RECORD: PLEASE. JEFF, J E, F, F, B, R, A N D E B E R R, Y. ALL RIGHT.. How ARE YOU CURRENTLY EMPLOYED? I WORK FOR GLYNN, COUNTY POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND HOW LONG HAVE YOU WORKED FOR THE GLYNN COUNTY POLICE DEPARTMENT ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF TO FIVE YEARS., ALL RIGHT. SO LETS GO AHEAD AND TALK ABOUT YOUR ENTIRE CAREER IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, REAL QUICK.? Okay, WHEN DID YOU START IN LAW ENFORCEMENT? I WAS HIRED AT THE END OF 2016., PUT THROUGH THE ACADEMY. Graduated IN 2017. WORKED FOR GLYNN COUNTY FOR ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS. ENDED UP, LEAVING AND MOVING UP TO NORTH GEORGIA TO BE WITH MY WIFE AND FAMILY. STAYED UP THERE FOR ABOUT EIGHT MONTHS, AND WE DECIDED TO MOVE BACK HERE WHEN I GOT MY JOB Back EARLY 2020., ALL RIGHT., SO EARLY 2020, YOU WERE REHIRED BY GLYNN COUNTY POLICE DEPARTMENT, YES MAAM., WHEN YOU WERE REHIRED IN EARLY 2020. What WERE YOUR JOB DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES? At THAT TIME, I WAS A PATROL OFFICER AT THE TIME.. I WAS ASSIGNED AN AREA TO PATROL.. My ASSIGNMENT WAS TO PATROL THAT AREA AND ANSWER CALLS IN THAT AREA AND BACK UP OTHER OFFICERS IF THEY NEED. IS THAT CURRENTLY STILL ARE THOSE CURRENTLY STILL YOUR JOB DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES. Yes, MAAM. YOURE, A PATROL OFFICER, YES, MAAM.

. Now, AS A PATROL OFFICER YOURE IN A SUIT TODAY., WHAT DO YOU NORMALLY WEAR? I NORMALLY WEAR MY DEPARTMENT ISSUED UNIFORM ALONG WITH THE DUTY BELT AND A BODY CAMERA. AND WHEN YOURE A PATROL OFFICER CURRENTLY BACK IN EARLY 2020, ARE YOU ALONE IN YOUR CAR OR ARE YOU WITH SOMEBODY? No MAAM. POLICY IS WHEN YOU COME BACK. You HAVE TO GO BACK TO FIELD TRAINING., ALL RIGHT.. So WHEN YOU CAME BACK IN EARLY 2020, DID YOU ACTUALLY GO THROUGH FIELD TRAINING? Yes MAAM.? And WHO IS YOUR FTO OR FIELD TRAINING, OFFICER OFFICER, KAITLYN ROBERTS.? So ONCE YOU FINISHED THE FIELD TRAINING WITH GLYNN COUNTY, ARE YOU A SINGLE PERSON IN THE CAR OR TWO PEOPLE IN THE CAR? One PERSON. AND THE CAR YOURE IN? Is THAT A MARKED PATROL CAR IT IS. AND ARE YOU A POST, CERTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER? I AM. SO YOUVE GONE THROUGH TRAINING DOWN AT THE GEORGIA PEACE OFFICER STANDARDS, TRAINING, COUNCIL FACILITY, YES, MAAM., ALL RIGHT. IM GOING TO DIRECT YOU SPECIFICALLY TO FEBRUARY 23rd. 2020.. All RIGHT.! Is THIS YOUR FIRST DAY BACK ON THE JOB. I BELIEVE IT WAS MY SECOND.. Your SECOND DAY. ALL RIGHT. TELL THE JURY. What WAS GOING ON WITH YOU THAT DAY WE WERE BACKING UP OTHER OFFICERS ON A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. Call., I HEARD A CALL FOR SHOTS, FIRED, COME OVER THE RADIO ON SATILLA SHORES. KAITLYN, AND I GOT IN HER CAR AND WENT DOWN TO SATILLA SHORES RESPONDED.

. You WERE ACTUALLY OUT ON A DIFFERENT CALL. Yes MAAM., IT WAS A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CALL, I BELIEVE SO. Yes, MAAM. OKAY.. So WHEN YOU HEARD THIS, YOU WERE WITH YOUR FIELD. Training OFFICER. Is THAT CORRECT? Yes, MAAM. AND YOU HEAD TO SATILLA SHORES.? Yes MAAM.. How ARE YOU FEELING THAT DAY? Actually I WAS SICK.. I WAS NOT FEELING WELL AT ALL.. You HAD A HEAD COLD, YES, MAAM.! Why COULDNT YOU TAKE THE DAY OFF, I HADNT ACRUDE ANY TIME OFF YET.. This IS YOUR SECOND DAY BACK.. Yes, MAAM. ALL RIGHT. IM GOING TO ASK YOU A QUESTION.. You EVER TESTIFY AT A TRIAL BEFORE NOT WITH A JURY, NO MAAM., CERTAINLY NOT ON TV.. All RIGHT. SO WERE GOING TO TAKE IT EASY, HERE., ALL RIGHT SO SATILLA SHORES. What COUNTY IS THAT IN GLYNN COUNTY. IM GOING TO DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO FEBRUARY OF 2020 PRIOR TO THAT DATE? Did YOU KNOW THE MAN SEATED OVER THERE, WILLIAM RODDIE BRYAN, NO MAAM. AND PRIOR TO FEBRUARY OF 2020? Did YOU KNOW GREG McMICHAEL SEATED HERE? No MAAM. ALL RIGHT. AND PRIOR TO FEBRUARY 2020 DID YOU KNOW: TRAVIS McMICHAEL, NO MAAM., ALL RIGHT.. So ON THIS DAY THAT YOURE WITH YOUR FIELD, TRAINING OFFICER, WHATS YOUR SHIFT. That DAY I WAS ON DAY SHIFT., 600 A.M. TO 600 P.M. I BELIEVE. SO DAY SHIFT IS A 12 HOUR SHIFT, YES MAAM AT THE TIME. I BELIEVE IT WAS.. It MAY HAVE BEEN A 10 HOUR SHIFT.

. I DONT RECALL. AND YOU WERE IN YOUR UNIFORM. Yes, MAAM. THE CAR YOU WERE IN WAS MARKED, YES, MAAM. ALL RIGHT.. So WHEN YOU AND OFFICER ROBERTS ARRIVED WHO WAS DRIVING THE CAR OFFICER, ROBERTS. ALL RIGHT., WHAT WERE YOU ASSIGNED TO GO? Do WHEN YOU ARRIVED AT THE CORNER OF HOLMES AND SATILLA? I WAS TASKED WITH INTERVIEWS GREG, McMICHAEL., ALL RIGHT., AND DID YOU IN FACT GO UP TO SPEAK WITH GREG McMICHAEL I DID. AND WAS THAT CAPTURED ON YOUR BODY? Cam VIDEO, YES MAAM., AND HAVE YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW YOUR BODY? Cam VIDEO STATES EXHIBIT 189.. Yes, MAAM. AND WAS THAT BODY CAM VIDEO, FAIR AND ACCURATE, AS YOU RECALL, YOUR INTERACTION ON THE SCENE THAT DAY IT WAS. AND, IN ADDITION, HAVE YOU REVIEWED THE TRANSCRIPT ASSOCIATED WITH STATES? 189 STATES 189A. The TRANSCRIPT OF THAT INTERACTION? Yes, MAAM.! Was IT FAIR AND ACCURATE? Yes, MAAM. AT THIS TIME THE STATE WOULD TENDER INTO EVIDENCE, STATES, 189 AND 189A., NO OBJECTION., NO OBJECTION., NO OBJECTION, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN LIMITATIONS, YOUR HONOR.. Do WE NEED TO DO THIS OUTSIDE THE PRESENCE OF THE JURY? Well, THERES. We PROBABLY CAN JUST APPROACH BRIEFLY. IM GOING TO ASK THAT YOU STEP INTO THE JURY, ROOM AND WELL BRING YOU BACK OUT IN JUST A MOMENT. ALL RISE FOR THE JURY, PLEASE. WOW.! Well, ITS HAPPENED AGAIN. Mark IM GLAD WE HAVE YOU WITH US, BECAUSE YOURE NOT ONLY A FORMER PROSECUTOR BUT ALSO A PROFESSOR, AND THIS IS DEFINITELY A MOMENT THAT WE ARE ALL LEARNING A LOT OF TECHNICAL DETAILS ABOUT FOLLOWING A TRIAL LIKE THIS.

Its NEVER EASY. – AND THIS IS WHAT THE THIRD OR FOURTH NO. ACTUALLY ABOUT A HANDFUL OF TIMES. THERES – BEEN SOME SORT OF DISCREPANCY AMONG ATTORNEYS, AND THE JUDGE HAS ALREADY SAID: HES GOTTEN FRUSTRATED WITH THE BEHAVIOR OF THE ATTORNEYS AND THAT THEY HAVE HAD TO APPROACH THE Bench A NUMBER OF TIMES AND THE JURY ONCE AGAIN HAVING TO GET UP AND LEAVE THE COURTROOM AS THEY TRY TO WORK OUT SOME DISCREPANCIES.. Now, FROM WHAT YOU HEARD, WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON THERE. Could YOU FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT MOMENT OR DO WE NEED TO SORT OF PARSE THIS OUT ONCE WE ARE ABLE TO LISTEN IN AGAIN IN ITS ENTIRETY? Well, THE PROSECUTOR WAS LYING THE BASIS OF BRINGING IN THE VIDEO.. So I THINK THAT ITS ONCE AGAIN FIGHT OVER HOW MUCH OF THAT COMES IN AND WHETHER IT COMES IN POSSIBLY. – AND YOU KNOW ITS UNDERSTANDABLE, WHY THIS IS FRUSTRATING TO EVERYBODY. ITS LIKE WATCHING A GREAT FOOTBALL GAME. But THEN THERES COMMERCIAL BREAKS OR A FLAG THROWN EVERY PLAY AND THE THING YOU ACTUALLY WANT TO GET TO ISNT HAPPENING. AND FOR THE JURORS AND FOR THE PEOPLE WATCHING ITS FRUSTRATING., BUT ESPECIALLY FOR THE JUDGE. AGAIN, BECAUSE WHAT THE JUDGE WANTS IS FOR THE PARTIES TO Work THIS OUT AMONGST THEMSELVES AND CLEARLY THEY HAVE NOT DONE THAT. RIGHT. AND NOT DURING THE TRIAL.. All RIGHT LETS GO AHEAD AND LISTEN, IN. THEYRE AGAIN TALKING ABOUT ALL THE VARIOUS VIDEOS AND WHATS GOING TO BE SHOWN.

Whats NOT., EVEN THOUGH ALL THIS HAS BEEN SUPPLIED BEFOREHAND BEFORE TRIAL EVEN STARTED SUBMITTED. Rather. LETS TAKE A LISTEN AND FIGURE OUT WHATS GOING ON.. We ARE NOT INTENDING TO PUT INTO EVIDENCE AND SO TO THE EXTENT THAT ITS WEVE AGREED THAT THIS VIDEO IS IN EVIDENCE. We ARE NOT INTENDING TO PREVENT A STATEMENT THAT IS PARTICULAR STATEMENT THAT HE MAKES. WELL ITS BEEN TENDERED.. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE ISSUES HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. IF THERES SOMETHING SEPARATE SOME STATEMENT THAT IS YOURE TELLING ME THE STATEMENT. I DONT KNOW WHAT THE STATEMENT IS, AND I DONT KNOW WHETHER IT IS ONE OF THE BRUTEN STATEMENTS OR OBJECTIONABLE FOR SOME OTHER REASON.. Well, WE HAVE IN OUR DISCUSSION WITH THE STATE ABOUT OPENING THE DOOR TO OTHER EVIDENCE. AND WERE NOT SURE THAT THIS STATEMENT WOULD OPEN THE DOOR IF WE SOUGHT TO ADMIT IT.. So WE HAVE AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, WERE NOT SEEKING TO ADMIT A STATEMENT THAT TRAVIS MAKES EARLY ON WHEN HES THERE WITH OFFICER ROBERTS., BECAUSE WE DONT WANT THE STATE TO BELIEVE THAT ITS OPENED THE DOOR.. They HAVE NOT COME TO US AND SAID THAT THIS PARTICULAR STATEMENT WILL OPEN THE DOOR, BUT JUST OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION.. What STATEMENT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT IM LOST. THE STATEMENT IS.? The LAST THING I EVER WANTED TO DO. ITS ON PAGE 3 OF THE TRANSCRIPT.. The LAST THING I EVER WANTED TO DO OR EVER WANTED TO HAPPEN. LINE 23. AND SO TO THE EXTENT THAT WERE NOT.

We JUST DONT WANT THE STATE TO LATER SAY THAT, BECAUSE WE DIDNT STATE THIS ON THE RECORD THAT SOMEHOW WEVE NOW PUT THIS STATEMENT INTO EVIDENCE WHICH OPENS THE DOOR TO SOME. You KNOW OTHER MODE OF EVIDENCE OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.. I DO UNDERSTAND WHERE DEFENSE COUNSEL IS GOING AT THIS POINT IN TIME. I GET IT.. The ANSWER IS AT THIS POINT IN TIME. The STATE IS NOT GOING TO PUT THAT STATEMENT INTO EVIDENCE. IF MR. McMICHAEL WERE TO TAKE THE STAND AND IT BECAME AN ISSUE. The STATE MAY ASK HIM: DID YOU SAY THIS AND WE WOULD MAYBE RECALL BRANDEBERRY IF HE DENIED HAVING SAID THIS, AND WE WILL GO DOWN THAT ROAD AT THE TIME IF MR. McMICHAEL WAS EVER TO TESTIFY.. So AT THIS POINT IN TIME THE STATE IS NOT PUTTING THAT STATEMENT. In. OKAY. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THAT WAS OUR CONCERN. WERE NOT INTENTIONALLY BEING ITS NOT BEING ARGUED THAT WERE INTENTIONALLY OPENING THE DOOR BY PUTTING IN THIS STATEMENT.. I UNDERSTAND. OKAY., ALL RIGHT. OKAY. LETS GO, GET THE PANEL.. The WORLD MAY FEEL OUT OF ALL RIGHT. THAT PROVIDED SOME CLARITY. MARK HERE IS OKAY., SO THEYRE TALKING ABOUT ON THE BODY CAM WHEN TRAVIS McMICHAEL AFTER JEFF BRANDEBERRY RESPONDED TO THE SCENE THAT THEY HAD. This CONVERSATION. AND TRAVIS SAID ITS. The LAST THING I EVER WANTED TO DO. AND YOU HEARD THE LEAD PROSECUTOR – THERE SAY IF HE TAKES THE STAND.

This IS SOMETHING WE WOULD WANT TO SUBMIT INTO EVIDENCE.. It WOULD MAKE SENSE., BUT RIGHT NOW WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO THAT.. You HEARD TRAVIS McMICHAELS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY, SAY THATS. What WAS BOTHERING THEM WAS THAT STATEMENT THAT HE HAD MADE. HERE IS MY QUESTION: ISNT THAT A VERY IMPORTANT STATEMENT TO TALK ABOUT AND WASNT ALL OF THIS ALREADY PUT INTO EVIDENCE ANY WAY SO KIND OF CLARIFY WHAT THIS ALL MEANS AND WHAT WE JUST LISTENED TO.. Its A BIT CONFUSING., YEAH. AND, OF COURSE, WERE ONLY LOOKING AT A SMALL PART OF THE ELEPHANT HERE.. There WAS A LOT OF OTHER DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS BEFORE IT WOULD SEEM., BUT WHEN HES TALKING ABOUT OPENING THE DOOR, WHAT HES TALKING ABOUT IS THAT VERY OFTEN IN TRIAL, A PARTY WILL BRING IN SOME EVIDENCE AND THEN THE OTHER SIDE WILL SAY. Okay, THIS ADDITIONAL STATEMENT IS NOW RELEVANT BECAUSE IT RELATES TO WHAT THE OTHER SIDE BROUGHT IN.. What THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY IS SAYING HERE IS OKAY.. The GOVERNMENT IS BRINGING IN THIS TRAVIS McMICHAEL STATEMENT THAT MIGHT OPEN THE DOOR TO SOMETHING ELSE. We DONT WANT TO COME IN THAT THE PROSECUTION WOULD BRING IN LATER AND WE WANT TO JUST REGISTER RIGHT NOW. We WANT TO FLAG THAT WE WOULD OBJECT TO THAT BOOT. Strapping OF THE ADDITIONAL STATEMENT COMING IN. GOT IT. AND YOU CAN SEE THE JUDGE HAS ASKED EVERYONE TO RISE.. The JURY IS WORKING THEIR WAY IN., BUT STILL OUT OF YOU KNOW, CURIOSITY IF I WERE A JUROR.

I WOULD WANT TO HEAR THAT STATEMENT IN EVIDENCE.. You KNOW THAT WAS THE ONE THING THAT SO MANY PEOPLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY WERE WONDERING HAD HAPPENED AFTER THE SHOOTING.. You KNOW, HOW DID THE THREE DEFENDANTS RESPOND? What DID THEY SAY TO EACH OTHER? What WAS THE CONVERSATION LIKE? Did THEY FEEL REMORSE? Did THEY FEEL BAD? Did THEY FEEL GUILTY, AND IT SEEMS LIKE THAT STATEMENT IS PRETTY CRUCIAL TO OKAY.. Well CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION MARK. ITS STARTED UP. Again. WELL, GO AHEAD AND LISTEN IN., BUT ILL. Remember TO PICK UP ON THAT POINT., ITS STRICTLY BEING TENDERED FOR THE RECORD, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING ABOUT PORTIONS MAY BE PLAYED IF RELEVANT, TO THE CASE. UNDERSTAND, BASED ON THE RECORD THAT HAS BEEN CREATED ON THE TENDER THAT THEY ARE ADMITTED SUBJECT TO CERTAIN LIMITATIONS ALREADY PLACED On THE RECORD., I THINK I SAID THAT CORRECTLY. YES. ALL RIGHT., SO OFFICER BRANDEBERRY. What NAME DID MR. McMICHAEL GIVE YOU WHEN YOU FIRST WENT UP TO INTERVIEW HIM ILL DIRECT YOU TO PAGE 10 OF STATES EXHIBIT 189A. GREGORY JOHNS J.O.H.N.S. McMICHAEL.? Where DID HE TELL YOU? He LIVED WEIGHT 230 POUNDS.. How TALL IS HE 510. AND DID HE ALSO GIVE YOU HIS PHONE NUMBER. HE DID.. 912.. 217. 1726.. Is THIS STANDARD PROCEDURE TO GO UP TO SOMEBODY AND ASK THEM THIS BIOGRAPHICAL INFORMATION? Yes, MAAM., AND DO YOU RECALL EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS WEARING WHEN YOU SPOKE WITH HIM? Yes MAAM., HE WAS WEARING FLIP FLOPS, BLUE JEANS, A GRAY, LONG SLEEVE SHIRT AND I BELIEVE BLACK HAT AT ONE POINT.

ALL RIGHT. TRY TO PULL THE MICROPHONE IN FRONT OF YOU.. The WAY THE JURY STANDS WORKING ITS A LITTLE AWKWARD.. If YOU TRY TO SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE., DO YOU NEED ME TO REPEAT ANYTHING? No, I HEARD THAT. OKAY., ALL RIGHT. AND YOUVE IDENTIFIED MR. McMICHAEL, AS THE MAN YOU TALKED TO. Is THAT CORRECT? Yes, MAAM. ALL RIGHT. NOW GREG McMICHAEL. At THAT POINT IN TIME, DID YOU NOTICE ANYTHING ON HIS HANDS YES. HE HAD BLOOD ON. I BELIEVE IT WAS HIS LEFT HAND. ALL RIGHT., SO DIRECTING YOUR ATTENTION SPECIFICALLY TO PAGE 13. Okay, STARTING WITH THE LINE HE HAD HIS ARM., WHAT DID GREG McMICHAEL TALK ABOUT? What DID GREG McMICHAEL TELL YOU ABOUT THE BLOOD THAT WAS ON HIS LEFT HAND. He SAID HE HAD HIS ARM WHEN HE WENT DOWN FACE DOWN AND HIS ARM WAS STUCK UNDERNEATH. Him. AND I DONT KNOW IF HE WAS GOING FOR A WEAPON OR WHAT BECAUSE HE WAS BECAUSE AT THAT POINT HE WAS STILL BREATHING.. So I JUST I PULLED HIS ARM OUT TO SEE IF THERE WAS A WEAPON IN IT. OKAY.. So NOW, IM GOING TO DIRECT YOU SPECIFICALLY TO PAGE 17 OF THE TRANSCRIPT., DID GREG McMICHAEL, TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED AND IM GOING TO HAVE YOU DO THE SPECIFIC QUOTE OF WHAT HE SAID: LINES 5 THROUGH 9.? Yes MAAM., HE SAID OKAY.. I WAS IN MY DRIVEWAY WORKING ON MY IM RE UPHOLSTERS BOAT, CUSHIONS IN THE BACK OF 3MY TRUCK.

. I LOOK UP. This GUY COMES HAULING ASS DOWN THE STREET IM TALKING ABOUT DEAD, RUN, HES, NOT JOGGING., ALL RIGHT. AND THEN GOING TO LINES 13 THROUGH 15. What DID HE SAY RIGHT THIS WAY. SEVERAL NIGHTS AGO, THE GUY HE NUMEROUS OCCASIONS THE GUY HAS BROKEN INTO A HOUSE OVER THERE. THEYVE GOT HIM ON VIDEO. ALL RIGHT., AND WHEN YOU ASK SAME HOUSE WHAT DID HE SAY SAME HOUSE., NOBODY COULD EVER CATCH HIM. THEYVE Had HIM ON VIDEO GOING INTO IT INTO THAT HOUSE, NUMEROUS TIMES. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN GOING TO THE NEXT PAGE PAGE 18.. Did HE GET MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT HOW MANY TIMES THEYVE GOT HIM ON VIDEO? Yes, MAAM.? What DID HE SAY ON LINES 2 TO 3.? Any WAY THEY GOT HIM ON VIDEO GOING INTO THIS HOUSE TWO OR THREE TIMES.. Now GENERALLY, WHAT DID GREG McMICHAEL TELL YOU ABOUT HIS LOCATION WHEN THE ACTUAL SHOOTING AND HOMICIDE TOOK PLACE. He SAID HE WAS IN THE BACK OF THE TRUCK.. Now DIRECTING YOU SPECIFICALLY TO PAGE 21., SO IF WERE GOING TO START OFF WITH LINE 10, SO IN REGARD TO HOW GREG McMICHAEL WAS ABLE TO RECOGNIZE MR. ARBERY, WHO HAD BEEN INSIDE THAT HOUSE TWO OR THREE TIMES ON VIDEO LINE 10, WHAT DID MR. McMICHAEL SAY? Ive SEEN THESE VIDEOS, SO I KNOW WHAT THE GUY LOOKS: LIKE. BLACK MALE, HE WEARS SHORT PANTS. Generally, A WHITE T, SHIRT. HES GOT THESE LITTLE SHORT DREADS.. I DONT KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU CALL THEM.

, BUT ANY WAY SO IM STANDING IN FRONT IM, STANDING IN MY FRONT YARD, JUST A LITTLE WHILE AGO. THIS GUY COMES HAULING ASS DOWN THE STREET. Like I SAID, I MEAN LIKE SOMETHING IS AFTER HIM. OKAY.. So AS PART OF THIS, DID HE TELL YOU WHAT HE DID NEXT ON LINE 17? Yes MAAM., SO STARTING WITH SO I HE SAID SO. I HAUL ASS INTO MY BEDROOM TO GET MY 357 MAGNUM. ALL RIGHT. HOLD ON. IM GOING TO HAVE YOU BACK UP TO LINE 17. OKAY.. So WHAT DOES IT SAY THERE IN THE MEANTIME, SO I HAUL ASS BACK INTO THE HOUSE. OKAY.. All RIGHT. DONT WANT TO GO INTO THAT NEXT LINE. Right OKAY., SO WERE GOING INTO WHAT GREG McMICHAEL DID HERE RIGHT. So WHAT DID GREG McMICHAEL SAY? I DID ON LINE 19., SO I HAUL ASS INTO MY BEDROOM AND GET MY 357 MAGNUM. OKAY. GOING DOWN TO LINE 22. Okay, STARTING WITH DONT KNOW. What DOES HE SAY? The REASON IS, HE GETS HIS GUN. Dont KNOW IF THE GUY IS ARMED CAUSE THE OTHER NIGHT, THE GUY STUCK HIS HANDS IN DOWN HIS PANTS. OKAY.. And WHAT DID HE SAY ABOUT THAT? At THE END OF LINE 24 AND 25? I DONT TAKE ANY CHANCES. ALL RIGHT. SO NOW GOING TO KIND OF THE NEXT PAGE. While YOU WERE TALKING TO HIM, UM WAS HIS DEMEANOR. What WAS HIS DEMEANOR? He WAS PRETTY AMPED UP., HE WAS, HE APPEARED, A LITTLE UPSET AND HE WAS TALKING A LOT WITH GESTURES AND USING HIS HANDS.

. Would YOU DESCRIBE HIM AS ANIMATED YES. ALL RIGHT. AND YOU SAID AMPED UP AS WELL. UH HUH., ALL RIGHT. SO DID HE KNOW WHERE HE WAS? He KNEW THE GENERAL AREA.. He DID NOT KNOW WHAT STREET HE WAS ON. ALL RIGHT.. Did YOU HAVE TO TELL HIM WHAT STREET HE WAS ON? Yes, MAAM. ALL RIGHT. AND AS PART OF THAT CONVERSATION AT THE END OF PAGE 22, DID HE INDICATE WHERE HE SAW THE MAN RUNNING DOWN? Yes, MAAM. LINE 21. HES RUNNING DOWN, SATILLA DRIVE. OKAY., AND THEN WHAT DID MR. McMICHAEL? He WENT FROM SATILLA DRIVE ON TO BURFORD.. Now, WHILE YOURE DOING THIS INTERVIEW AT THIS PART. How OFTEN ARE YOU INTERRUPTED QUITE REGULARLY., ALL RIGHT. LIKE? Could YOU GET A CONTINUOUS NARRATIVE FROM MR. McMICHAEL, WHILE YOURE STANDING THERE, NO MAAM.? Why NOT? Because I WAS INTERRUPTED BY OTHER OFFICERS AND OTHER PEOPLE ON THE SCENE. OKAY. WHEN YOU SAY OTHER PEOPLE ON THE SCENE? What DO YOU MEAN OTHER PEOPLE ON ANNE GENERAL BYSTANDERS, PEOPLE WHO WERE CURIOUS AND WATCHING.? So DID YOU TRY TO DIRECT HIM BACK TO KEEP TALKING TO YOU AT CERTAIN POINT IN TIME SEVERAL TIMES. ALL RIGHT.? So AT A CERTAIN POINT, WERE YOU TRYING TO GET HIM BACK? Did YOU TRY AND TELL HIM? You KNOW YOU SAW THE GUY ON BURFORD., THE GUY WAS CUT OFF AND THEN HE TURNED AROUND AND WENT BACK.. Did HE AGREE WITH THAT? Yes, MAAM. OKAY. AND AT THAT POINT YOURE TRYING TO TELL HIM OKAY, TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED NEXT.

. What DOES HE SAY ON PAGE 24, THAT HAPPENED NEXT ON LINE 2 THROUGH 4. SAID I JUMPED IN THE BACK OF THE TRUCK, BECAUSE I DIDNT WANT TO SIT IN THAT DAMN KIDS SEAT AGAIN., I JUMPED IN THE BACK OF THE TRUCK. OKAY.. So AT THIS POINT, WHILE YOURE STANDING THERE ARE YOU NEAR THE WHITE PICKUP TRUCK YES MAAM., SO WHEN HE SAYS I JUMP IN THE BACK OF THE TRUCK, BECAUSE I DONT WANT TO SIT IN THAT DAMN KIDS SEAT AGAIN. Does THIS TRUCK HAVE LIKE ONLY TWO SEATS OR ARE THERE FOUR SEATS? Is IT A TWO DOOR, FOUR DOOR? It WAS A SINGLE CAB ONLY HAD THE FRONT DRIVERS SEAT AND I BELIEVE IT WAS A BENCH SEAT AND THE PASSENGER SEAT. ALL RIGHT.. What WAS IN THE PASSENGERS SEAT? If YOU RECALL., THERE WAS A CHILDS KIDS SEAT. ALL RIGHT., AND IS IT YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT HES TALKING ABOUT ON BURFORD, HE JUMPS OUT TO GET IN THE BACK OF THE TRUCK.? Yes, MAAM. NOW AFTER HE GOES AHEAD AND JUMPS IN THE BACK OF THE TRUCK LINE 7. Where DOES THE BLACK MALE GO? Hes RUNNING DOWN THE DAMN ROAD. OKAY. AND WHAT DID GREG McMICHAEL INDICATE THAT HE WAS SAYING TO THE BLACK MAN WHO WAS RUNNING DOWN THE DAMN ROAD, STOP STOP STOP.! I WANT TO TALK TO YOU. OKAY. AND WHEN HE GOT IN THE TRUCK UP NEXT TO HIM. What DID GREG McMICHAEL SAY, GREG McMICHAEL SAID TO THE BLACK MAN: STOP GOD DAMN IT.

. Was IT CLEAR AT THIS POINT IN TIME EXACTLY WHERE THE TRUCK WAS STOPPED WHEN HE SAID STOP GOD, DAMN IT NO MAAM, NOT REALLY.. Did HE INDICATE HOW MANY TIMES HE HAD SAID TO AHMAUD ARBERY? Stop GOD DAMN IT. It SOUNDED TO ME LIKE HE SAID: STOP GOD, DAMN IT ONE TIME. NOW. Did YOU ASK MR. GREG McMICHAEL HOW MANY SHOTS THERE WERE I DID.? What DID HE SAY? He SAID THERE WERE TWO SHOTS. IM GOING TO DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION NOW TO PAGE 25 AT THE TOP., AND YOU ASKED HIM SO YOU HEARD TWO SHOTS. UH HUH.. What DOES HE INDICATE? He SAID HE SAW HIM. OKAY., THEN LINES 6 THROUGH 9.. What DID HE SAY? Then I SAW HIM YEAH., IN FACT, IF, IF TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST WITH YOU, IF I COULD HAVE GOT A SHOT AT THE GUY, I WOULD HAVE SHOT HIM MYSELF, BECAUSE HE WAS THAT VIOLENTLY. Then WE WERE INTERRUPTED, AGAIN. AND YOURE INTERRUPTED AGAIN. Yes, MAAM. NOW THE PERSON WHO INTERRUPTED YOU THIS TIME WAS THIS: A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. I DONT BELIEVE SO, NO MAAM., SO SOME BYSTANDER STRANGER WALKS UP. Yes, MAAM. ALL RIGHT NOW, OFFICER, BRANDEBERRY SECOND DAY BACK ON THE JOB RIGHT, YOU HAVE A COLD. UH HUH.. Did YOU ALLOW THIS STRANGE PERSON COME UP AND TALK TO GREG McMICHAEL? I DID. AT ANY POINT IN TIME WAS GREG McMICHAEL ISOLATED FROM SPEAKING WITH ANY OF THE OTHER PARTIES THERE NO. WAS HE TOLD TO SIT ON THE CURB AND DONT MOVE NO.

? Was HE PUT IN THE BACK OF THE PATROL CAR NO., AND SO SOME STRANGE GUY JUST COMES UP TO HIM AND STARTS TALKING TO HIM? Yes, MAAM. ALL RIGHT. AND YOU STOP HIM OR TELL HIM TO GO AWAY. I DID NOT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND DURING THIS POINT IN TIME, WHEN THIS UNKNOWN MAN COMES UP, DID YOUR SERGEANT ALSO COME UP AND INTERRUPT YES. OKAY.. Is THAT THE SERGEANT THAT INTERRUPTED? You GOT UNKNOWN PEOPLE COMING UP AND INTERRUPTING AND YOURE TRYING TO GET A STATEMENT FROM THIS PERSON. Yes, MAAM. NOW THE PERSON WHO WALKED UP WAS THIS A MAN OR WOMAN, MALE. WHITE, BLACK ASIAN OR HISPANIC WHITE MALE.. Did HE EVER IDENTIFY HIMSELF NO.? Did HE APPEAR TO KNOW GREG McMICHAEL HE APPEARED, TO. DID GREG, McMICHAEL APPEAR TO KNOW HIM, YES, MAAM. ALL RIGHT., SO IM GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION. Now TO PAGE 26., ALL RIGHT BOTTOM OF PAGE 26. WERE GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS. ALL RIGHT. So THIS IS THIS UNKNOWN MALE SPEAKER TALKING.. Where ARE YOU WHEN THIS IS HAPPENING? I BELIEVE I WAS TAKING DOWN DRIVERS LICENSE INFORMATION.. They WERE STANDING RIGHT THERE. Yes, MAAM. They WERE RIGHT NEXT TO ME.. This IS CAPTURED ON YOUR BODY. Cam., YES, MAAM. ALL RIGHT., SO LINE 22 WHEN THE MALE SPEAKER COMES UP TO GREG McMICHAEL. What DOES THIS MAN SAY TO GREG McMICHAEL? He SAID I I I WAS CONCERNED THAT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE DRUNK GUY THAT LIVES UP THERE ON THE CORNER IN THE HOUSE.

On THE RIGHT HAND, SIDE THERE., OKAY. AND GREG McMICHAEL, SAYS YEAH. What DOES THE GUY SAY? Next. HES ALWAYS WALKING ON THE ROAD.? What DOES GREG McMICHAEL SAY? Oh THE ONE THAT KIND OF SHUFFLES AND THE MALE SPEAKER AGREED WITH HIM YES.. What DID GREG McMICHAEL SAY NEXT YEAH. NO. THATS. This IS NOT THIS AINT, NO SHUF LER.. This GUY IS AN ASSHOLE.. I MEAN HE WAS HOOKED UP WHEN HE CAME AROUND THAT STREET. ALL RIGHT. SO HOLD ON., GREG McMICHAEL SAYS THIS AINT NO SHUFFLEER W, YES, MAAM.! This GUY IS AN ASS HOLE. Who IS HE TALKING ABOUT AHMAUD ARBERY.? He WAS HOOKED, UP. THATS. What HE IS TELLING THIS OTHER MAN.? Yes MAAM., HOW FAR AWAY WERE YOU FROM THE DEAD BODY OF AHMAUD ARBERY WHEN HE CALLED HIM AN ASS HOLE? 20 30 FEET MAYBE., MAYBE A LITTLE FURTHER THAN THAT. AND AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WAS AHMAUD, ARBERY, SURROUNDED BY EMS AND OTHER PEOPLE. Yes, MAAM.. The MALE SPEAKER THEN ASKS WAS HE WALKING? What DOES GREG McMICHAEL SAY NO RUNNING FLAT, OUT. RUNNING FLAT OUT., I DONT KNOW WHERE HE WAS COMING FROM DOWN. There. SHOWS TELLING THIS STRANGER. I DONT KNOW WHERE HE WAS COMING. From., YES, MAAM.. Then THE MALE SPEAKER SAYS YOU NEVER KNOW WHATS GOING ON. Then HE ASKS HIM. Are YOU, OKAY? What DOES GREG McMICHAEL SAY THANK YOU., SO YEAH.? Thank YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT. WHATS. He TALKING ABOUT IM, NOT SURE.. Was HE GIVEN SOME WATER AT THIS POINT? He WAS.

ALL RIGHT. AND THE MALE SPEAKER SAYS. Can I GET MORE STUFF? What DOES GREG McMICHAEL SAY LINE 18. LINE IM? Sorry WHEN, IF MALE SPEAKER AT LINE 16 SAYS I CAN GO, GET SOME MORE STUFF, WHAT DOES GREG McMICHAEL RESPOND, IM PERFECTLY FINE. AND THEN DOES THE MALE SPEAKER INQUIRE ABOUT HIS SON? Is YOUR SON, OKAY, YES MAAM., WHATS, GREG, McMICHAEL, SAY HES UPSET AS HELL.. Does HE REPEAT THAT YES MAAM. AND THEN THE MALE SPEAKER SAYS I CAN IMAGINE. THE MALE SPEAKER THEN ASKS HIM A QUESTION.. What DOES THE MALE SPEAKER ASK HIM AT LINE 25? So THE GUY HAVE A GUN AND WHAT DOES GREG McMICHAEL SAY ON THE TOP OF PAGE 28 NO. I DONT KNOW., I MEAN I COULDNT TELL IF ITS ONE ON HIM OR NOT., BUT HE WAS, HE ATTACKED MY SON. ALL RIGHT. AT THIS POINT IN TIME, ARE You INTERRUPTED AGAIN YES, MAAM. AND WHO DOES THE INTERRUPTING THIS TIME? The CORONER. THE CORONER SHOWS UP? Yes, MAAM. ALL RIGHT. AND THE MALE SPEAKER IS THEN ASKING HIM. Oh REALLY, YES MAAM.. He JUST SAID HE ATTACKED MY SON. AND WHAT DOES GREG McMICHAEL SAY HE CAME AT HIM. AND THEN WHAT DOES GREG McMICHAEL SAY HE TRIED TO GET THE DAMN SHOTGUN AWAY.. So AT THIS POINT IN TIME A TOTAL STRANGER WALKED UP AND TOLD HIM. This IS HIS NARRATIVE. He ATTACKED. My SON TRIED TO GET THE SHOTGUN AWAY.. Yes, MAAM. AT THAT POINT. Did THE MALE SPEAKER ASK HIM? Where DOES YOUR SON LIVE? Yes, MAAM.

? Where DID GREG McMICHAEL SNA. ME.? What DID GREG McMICHAEL TELL HIM RIGHT, THERE. YEAH! You KNOW MY SON. TRAVIS. THE RED HEADED KID., THEN WHAT DOES HE GO ON TO REFRESH THIS MANS RECOLLECTION? He WAS LOOKING AT YOUR BOAT.. You KNOW WAS HELPING YOU WITH YOUR BOAT.. All RIGHT. NOW DID GREG McMICHAEL INDICATE WHETHER HE HAD A CELL PHONE ON HIM OR NOT. He SAID HE DID NOT. DID YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW HE GOT HIS CELL PHONE TO START MAKING CALLS AT THE SCENE NO MAAM I DID NOT.. Did YOU SEE ANYBODY WALK UP AND GIVE HIM A CELL PHONE, NO MAAM? I DID NOT. NOW GENERALLY AT THIS POINT IN ALL OF THIS. The CORONER IS THERE. Is THAT CORRECT? Yes, MAAM.! Do YOU KIND OF PIVOT AWAY FROM INTERVIEWING MR. McMICHAEL, YES, MAAM., OKAY., SO IM GOING TO ASK YOU A FEW QUESTIONS. DID GREG McMICHAEL EVER INDICATE TO YOU AT THAT TIME THAT HE THOUGHT AHMAUD ARBERY THE GUY HAD COMMITTED A CRIME THAT DAY NO MAAM., SO HE Didnt SAY THE GUY COMMITTED THE CRIME OF THIS NO MAAM., AND WHEN HE SAID TO YOU THAT NUMEROUS OCCASIONS THE GUY HAS BROKEN INTO A HOUSE OVER THERE, THEY FOUND HIM ON VIDEO. What HOUSE WAS GREG? Mcmichael TALKING ABOUT HOUSE DOWN THE ROAD THAT WAS UNDER CONSTRUCTION., SO HES NOT TALKING ABOUT HIS HOME AT 230, SATILLA DRIVE., NO MAAM., ALL RIGHT., WHILE SPEAKING WITH YOU DID GREG McMICHAEL EVER USE THE WORD BURGLARY.

No MAAM. DID HE EVER USE THE WORD. Trespass. No MAAM. DID HE EVER TELL YOU, WHILE YOURE TALKING TO HIM THAT HE WAS ATTEMPTING TO MAKE A CITIZENS ARREST. No MAAM.. Did HE EVER USE THE WORD ARREST? No MAAM. DID HE EVER EVEN USE THE WORD, DETAIN NO MAAM., ALL RIGHT.. Did HE EVER TELL YOU THAT, OH, WE WERE GOING TO DETAIN THIS GUY AND WAIT FOR THE POLICE TO COME AND INVESTIGATE NO MAAM.? Did HE EVER TELL YOU? Oh BY THE WAY I SAW MR. ARBERY THROWING STUFF OUT OF HIS POCKETS AS HE RAN NO MAAM.. All RIGHT. AT THIS POINT YOUVE PIVOTED AWAY.. Do YOU SPEND MORE TIME AT THE SCENE A LITTLE BIT YES. ALL RIGHT., AND WHAT DID YOU DO THEN? For THE REST OF THE DAY, DID YOU STAY AT THAT SCENE OR LEAVE THAT SCENE NO MAAM.? Once OUR INVESTIGATIVE DIVISION ARRIVED ON SCENE, THE SCENE WAS TURNED OVER TO THEM.. We WENT BACK IN SERVICE ON THE WAY TO HEADQUARTERS, SO I COULD START ON THE REPORT. ALL RIGHT.. So WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY BACK IN SERVICE? We WERE AVAILABLE FOR CALLS.. Did YOU GO TO ANY OTHER CALL AFTER THIS PARTICULAR INCIDENT? No MAAM.! You WENT BACK TO HEADQUARTERS., YES MAAM.. Where IS HEADQUARTERS 157 PUBLIC SAFETY OR SERVICE PUBLIC SAFETY, BOULEVARD. OKAY.? How LONG DOES IT TAKE YOU TO GET THERE FROM SATILLA SHORES? 15? Maybe 15 MINUTES. AND YOU WENT TO THE STATION AND DID YOU WRITE A REPORT IN CONJUNCTION WITH WHAT YOU HAD DONE THAT DAY? Yes, MAAM.

, JUST A SYNOPSIS., YES, MAAM.. Did YOU UPLOAD YOUR BODY CAM VIDEO INTO THE SYSTEM AT GLYNN COUNTY POLICE HEADQUARTERS? I DID. DID THAT CONCLUDE YOUR INVOLVEMENT IN THIS CASE. Yes, MAAM., WERE YOU STILL ON SCENE WHEN SHEILA RAMOS SHOWED UP TO START TAKING, SHOWED UP OR HAD YOU LEFT BY THAT TIME I DONT RECALL.. I BELIEVE WE WERE STILL THERE.. I MAY HAVE ONE MORE.. Did YOU KNOW THE ADDRESS OF THE HOUSE UNDER CONSTRUCTION? No MAAM., YOU JUST JUST SAID SOME HOUSE UNDER CONSTRUCTION., YES MAAM. HIS ADDRESS 230 SATILLA DRIVE. Yes MAAM. NOW. Did HE EVER INDICATE EXACTLY HOW FAR HE WAS RIGHT THEN, AND THERE FROM HIS HOUSE UM? I BELIEVE HE DID., I BELIEVE HE POINTED ED AT THE TWO STORY HOUSE AND SAID HE WAS THE ONE RIGHT NEXT TO IT. YOUR HONOR. At THIS TIME I WILL PASS THE WITNESS.. Oh IM SORRY., IM SORRY., WHILE AT THE SCENE WITH OFFICER ROBERTS, WERE SOME PHOTOS TAKEN OF TRAVIS McMICHAEL RIGHT THEN, AND THERE YES, MAAM., DID YOU WITNESS OFFICER, KAITLYN ROBERTS, TAKING THOSE PHOTOS YES MAAM. PRIOR TO COMING INTO COURT TODAY? Have YOU HAD OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW STATES EXHIBIT 267 268 YES. 267 THROUGH 278. YES., WERE THEY FAIR AND ACCURATE PICTURES AS FAR AS WHAT YOU RECALL, TRAVIS McMICHAEL, LOOKING LIKE AT THE SCENE AT THAT TIME? Yes, MAAM.. At THIS TIME, STATE INTERS INTO EXHIBIT STATES 267 THROUGH 278., NO OBJECTION., NO OBJECTION., NO OBJECTION. THEYRE ADMITTED.. So FIRST OFF.

IM GOING TO GO AHEAD AND APPROACH. Thank YOU., OKAY. FIRST OFF TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.. Is THAT PIXILATED IT IS.? So THIS IS JUST THE NATURE OF THE PHOTO: YES MAAM. ALL RIGHT. AND WAS OFFICER ROBERTS TAKING AN ACTUAL CAMERA OR WITH SOMETHING ELSE. I DONT BELIEVE SHE WAS USING A CAM., SO A CELL PHONE., I THINK SO. ALL RIGHT. THATS STATES 267. – IS THAT WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE? Yes, MAAM. 268., YES, MAAM. ALL RIGHT.! Once AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE WRIST AREA OF TRAVIS McMICHAEL., YES, MAAM., 269 WRIST AREA ENHANCED.! Yes, MAAM. AND 270.. Yes, MAAM. LOCATED THE OTHER ARM HERE, LOOKING AT THE OTHER ARM HERE, THATS, 270., 271. So THE SAME PICTURE: YES, MAAM.. 272. What DO WE HAVE HERE? Blood. 273? Also, YES, MAAM.! All RIGHT.! You ALSO SEE HIS FACE. Here.. Is THAT RIGHT, UH HUH. 274.? Is THIS THE BACK OF TRAVIS McMICHAEL? Yes, MAAM. ALL RIGHT. WHOS THAT THERE THAT WOULD BE ME. ALL RIGHT. 275.. What DO WE HAVE HERE, THE BACK OF HIS HEAD. 276? Are WE LOOKING AT SORT OF THE BACK OF HIS JEANS AT THIS POINT? Yes, MAAM.? 2, 77., YES, MAAM. AND 278. What ARE WE LOOKING AT THERE, HIS FACE. WITH SOME BLOOD SPATTER ON IT. SPATTER. RIGHT, YES, MAAM. ALL RIGHT.! At THIS TIME I WILL PASS THE WITNESS.. Thank YOU, JUDGE. MR. HOGUE. GOOD MORNING, OFFICER BRANDONBURY., HOW YOU DOING TODAY, SIR GOOD MORNING. TURN THIS TO ALL OF MY JURORS CAN SEE: THEM.

THATS, NOT ALL YOU.. Okay, ALL RIGHT. LETS LETS GET SOME FURTHER CONTEXT ON YOUR TESTIMONY AND I WANT TO START WITH GREG McMICHAEL TOLD YOU HE HAD CONCERNING MR. ARBERY BELIEFS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.. Okay, YES SIR., SO THE THE STATE READ THE PART OR HAD YOU READ THE PART WHERE THEY THOUGHT HE WAS COMING FROM SOME HOUSE UNDER CONSTRUCTION DOWN THE STREET.? Yes SIR., YOU HAVE YOUR TRANSCRIPT UP THERE. The BODYCAM I DO. LETS GO TO PAGE 6 LINES AND, WHILE YOURE GETTING THERE, MR. McMICHAEL ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH THE STORY WITH YOU TWO OR THREE TIMES SEVERAL TIMES. Yes, SIR. RIGHT., AND YOU WERE LOOKING AT ONE OF THOSE TIMES WHEN YOU WENT THROUGH IT JUST NOW. With THE STATE ON DIRECT. RIGHT, YES, SIR., BUT HE HAD ALREADY TOLD IT TO YOU ONCE BEFORE.. He EVEN TOLD IT TO YOU ANOTHER TIME. AGAIN, YES SIR.. He TOLD ME SEVERAL TIMES. AND PART OF THAT WAS BECAUSE OF THE INTERRUPTIONS THAT WERE OCCURRING AND YOU HAD TO STOP AND START YES, SIR. OKAY.. The OTHER PART WAS FOR CLARIFICATION, PURPOSES., RIGHT. AND THATS. A A POLICE TECHNIQUE. Have SOMEBODY TELL THE STORY A COUPLE OF TIMES SEE IF IT STAYS THE SAME YES. HIS STAYED. The SAME. Objectio RELEVANCE. SUSTAINED. GO AHEAD, ANDSK, ANOTHER QUESTION. IMSORRY.. This IS THE OBJECTION IS SUSTAINED. My MICPHONE WAS OFF.RY. ITS SUSTAID. OKAY. THANK YOU.. This IS THE FIRST ROUND THROUGH RIGHTORY., YES, SIR. AND YOUR TALKING TO HIM AND HES DESCRIBING TO YOU WHO THIS GUY IS WHO HE THINKS HE IS AND YOURE WITH ME AT LINE.

He SAYS THIS IS GREG McMICHAEL TAING TO YOU RIGHT OUT HERE AND I IMAGINEN BODYCAM HES, POINTING AGENCY. He YS HERE POINTING DOWN THE STREET OBJECTION.. Is THERE A QUESTION COMPOUND QUESTION? Thats FINE., YOURE ZEROING IN ON THE QUESTION., GO AAD. BREAKING IT DOWN., SO WN. He SAYSRIGHT OUT HERE WITHOUT TNING ON THE WHOLE VIDEO AND ALL WHEN A PERSON SAYS RIGHT OUT HERE. He POINNG IT ID HAVE TO WATCH THE VIDEO.. I DONT RECALL. WELL LETS GO ON. HESAYS THIS GUYHO WE SEEN ON VIDEO NUMEROUS TIMES BREAKING IN TO THESE OTHER HOUSES. He COMES HAULING ASS DO.. I MEAN HES G TO BE HOOKED, UP. WHAT HE SAYS TO YO: YES, SIR. THATSACCURATE. AND AGAIN, WHEN H SAID BREAKING IN TO THESE OER HOUSES LAR ON IN YOUR SYNOPSIS. It WAS CHARACTERIZED IN YOUR REPORT. You WROTE IN THAT MR. McMICHAEL REPORTED TO YOU THAT HE BELIEVEDHIS GUY HAD NEHBORHOOD. INTO HOUSE IN THE RIGHT PRIOR YES. AND IF YRE GO LINE 1, TWO MORE OF THE THAT FROM THISOW TS HEADLINE CAN MR. McCHL IS TALKING TO YOU BUT THERES. Another PERSON THAT HAS W COME UP., ANOTHER POLICE OFFICER NAMED SERGEANT LEKIN AND YOU KNOW WHO THIS RGNT IS RIGHT: Y SIR., O YOURE STANDING THER ITSEE RECORDED, BUT YOURE NVERSATION. GUESSN, THE NOW TALNG TO SERGEAN VIDEO B. I BIEVE SO ALL RIGH McMICHAEL SA TO YOU AND R. SEEANT BREAKING I ALL OF THEOUSES OUT HE.. He SAID THATO YO TOO Y SIR.

, AY. GOO, PAGE 30., NOWNOTHER RSONS, WALKE, UP. RIGHTS, CISTY ROZIER., YES, SIR., ANCHSTY ROZIE IS THEORONER OF ES SIR. O KRIS CHRISTY ROZIER IS STANN THERE AND YOURE STI INVOLVED. I THHRTY ROZR A GREG McMIAEAND I8 LL. He MES FREQUT TRI TO THE NEIGHBHOOD AND GSAUGHT ON VID CAMAS, LIKE EVERY THIRD FOURTH NIGHT BREAKING IN ABLE TO CATCHIM. THATSHAT HEAID T YOU THATS WHAT HE INJECTEDNTO OUR NVERSATION YES., WHICH W THE CVERSATION WITH MS. ROZI. OK.SI. So EARLIER WN YOU READ: THANO ONHAEVER EVEREEN, ABLE TO CAH M Y UNDSTOOD IN THE CONTEXT OFHE CONVERSATNHAT. At THE TIME I WAS UNFAMILI WITH ANY CRIME, OU DIDNT H, BACKGRNDN, THAT NO SIR. THATS NOTY PICAL ZONE OR WHERE I PATR. IM, NOT VY FILIAR WITHHE LL LETS GO BACTOAGE 13. Li 7. DO A DIFFERE TOPIC NOW.. This IS WHE MR.cMICHAELOU, W THAT HAD BOD ON HIS HAND. RIGH, YES, R., ND Y UNDERSTOOD Y ON HISND, BECAUSE MR. AER BLOOD HAD FLEN FE DNN, THE STETND HE HADEACH UND HIS TOR AND PULLED HISRM OUT EE IFEAD AUNNIS HAND. D PULLE HIS ARM OUT. Yes, R. WHATAS THE PURPOSE FOR T PPOSE OF CHECKG TO S. If HEAD AFIREARM, O WEP, I BELIEVE HE SAID. Y HAVEEENARMEDAT THISUY. U ALL R. TTSHA, HE SAIDES AND HE TOLDOU TT T REASON HEAN IN H, HOU AND GOT H .357 BOREE PSUED IS MAN IS BAUSE. He DSNT TAKE C MEDYSARMED HS GOINGO. I THINK HE SDEOESNT TA CHCES.

AND YNDSTOOD IN THE CONTT OF THE CONVERSATIOTH CHCE THAT HES ARMED, TAK N. Well, HE CONVERTION INAUDIBLE E JURY C DETERMINETHAT. JT ESTABLISH THE CONTEXT. Terview WAS AND HT W S MEANT WHAT HE UERSTOOD ITO AN.. I THINK YOU ASKED. I TERMS O McMICHAEL TO MEAN THATS SUSTAINED., SPECULATIOONHE, WITNESS PA.. Well, A ANY RATE. Thear YO READ IS IN THE CONTEXT OF HESELLING YOU WHY H WENT T HIS GUN., I TO H HOUSE TO N. LL RIGHT. NOW LETS GO PAGE OF YOUR TRANSCRIPT. AND THE ROADS. G, A LITTLE CONFIN HERE.. Can YOU TELL SATIL SHORES NEIGHBORHO, INTIMATELY KW ALL THSTETS Y SIR. SHEN PEOPLE ARE DESCRIBING THE RDS ANDHE STREETS WAS A BIT CONSINGO YOU AT MES, A THEEGNING IT WAS.. I FIGURED OUT TT THEWHOLE, THE ROADS MAKE A LOOP AND EVERYTHING KD OF COMES BACK AT WA, YEAH., WELL ILL HOLDP. The MAP TO SHOW THANK YOU., PRIATE, IT. HERES, A MAP OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AN DOE THAT LOOK FAMILIAR TO YOU OKAY.SIR., AND SO, WHEN YOU SAID ITAKES A OP. You KNOW THAT UP HERE, ABOV 17 AND THERE SATILLA DRI AND ZELLWOOD THENLY TWO ROADS IN TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. Yes SIR., ND THENNED NEIGHBORHOOD JUST MAKE ASIGLOOP. YES SIR. CASE THAT YOURE TALKING T MR. McMICHAEL ABOUT ARE BURFORD, SATILLA, DRIVE, BURFORD AND THEN LLS. RIGHT. Yes, SIR. RIGHT AND WHEN H WAS TALKING, EVEN THOUGH HE LIVES HERE, DIDNT, EVEN YES, SIR. OF CORRECT., AND IT WAS OFFICER SERGEANT, ROBERTS, W INJECTED HOLMES, IO THE I BELIEVE IT WAS OFFICER, OKAY.

HO SAID THAT. SO GOT ITIBLE. Kay. THANK YOU., SO WERE AT PAGE 24, THEN, AND YOU WERE ASKED TO READ FOR THE JURY LINE 2. STARTI AT LINE 2.. This IS WHERE MR. McMICHAEL IS TELLING YOU ARE YOU WITH ME? Yes, SIR.. I JUMP IN THE BACK OF THE TRUCK BECAUSE I DONT WANT TO THE SIT IN THAT IT DAMN KIDS SEAT AGAINO, I JUMP IN THE BACK OF THE TRUCK., EVEN THOUGH HE DID ROAD. That WAS YOU UNDEROOD AND TESTIFIED A FEW MINUTES AGO THAT YOU UNDERSTOOD THAT TO BE BURFORD ROAD. I BELIEVE HE SAID THAT YES, SIR. AND THEN GOING DOWN OTHAT SAME PAGE. You WERE ASKED TO READ THAT THEY WERE RUNNING DOWN THE DAMN ROAD IM AT LINE 7.. Uh, HUH. AND AND AH IN THE MEANTIME, WERE HOLLERING IM. Hollering STOP STOP STOP. WE WANT TO. We WANT TO TALK TO YOU., AND YOU UNDERSTOOD THAT THIS PORTION IS AT HOLMES, ROAD OR BURFORD ROAD. My UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THAT OCCURRED ON BURFORD. ALL RIGHT.. The NEXT PARAGRAPH BEGINNING AT LINE 10., WE GET UP NEXT TO HIM AND I SAID: STOP GODDAMNIT. SEE THAT PART. Yes SIR. NOW YOU THINK THATS ALSO ON BURFORD THATS, MY UNDERSTANDING OF IT. Yes SIR. THERE WAS NEVER ANY MENTION OF ZELLWOOD AND EARLIER ON. He TOLD ME THAT HE TURNED AROUND ON BURFORD AND BEGAN RUNNING BACK TOWARDS HOLMES. HERES. What I WANT YOU TO DO, OFFICER BRANBURY. You CANT READ THIS PART OUT LOUD UNDER THE RULES, BUT YOU, IF YOU READ TO YOURSELF THE FULL PARAGRAPH THAT BEGINS AT LINE 10 AND ENDS AT LINE 17.

, TAKE A MOMENT AND READ: THAT. UH HUH.. You GOT IT YES, SIR.. So THE LINE THAT YOU WERE ASKED TO READ WHEN YOU GET UP NEXT TO HIM AND I SAID, STOP GODDAMNIT AND THEN HAD YOU TO STOP THERE CANWHEN YOU READ T IN CONTEXT. It APPEARS TO DOES IT NOT THAT HES TALKING ABOUT THE FINAL ENCOUNTER IN THE FINAL SECONDS THATS ON VIDEO THERE AT HOLMES, ROAD ALMOST TO THE INTERSECTION OF SATILLA DRIVE BASED ON WHAT HES DESCRIBES, HAS HAPPENED IN THE REST OF THAT PARAGRAPH. RIGHT, YES, SIR., YES. OKAY.. So THE WORDS STOP GODDAMNIT. He SAYS HE UTTERED OR SPOKE TO MR. ARBERY, WHILE HES IN THE BACK OF THE PICK UP TRUCK ON HOLMES ROAD NEAR SATILLA AT THE END OF THIS ENCOUNTER. RIGHT SOMEWHERE ON HOLMES, ROAD.. Yes, SIR THATS MY UNDERSTANDING. OKAY. AND WHEN HE SAYS THATS WHAT HE SAID HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE CASE BEYOND YOUR OWN BODYCAM AND YOUR OWN TRANSCRIPT THATS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ME.. I HAVENT HAD ANY PART OF ANY FURTHER INVESTIGATION.. Once I LEFT THE SCENE, I WAS DONE WITH IT. RIGHT.. I UNDERSTAND THAT PART.. My QUESTION, THOUGH, IS IN WORKING THE CASE PREPARING FOR TRIAL COMING HERE TODAY YOU HAVE NOT LOOKED AT THE VIDEO. No SIR. WERE ALL CALLING IT THE VIDEO.. I SAW IT WHEN IT FIRST CAME OUT. OTHER THAN THAT I HAVE NOT SEEN IT.. I CANT TESTIFY TO ANY OF THAT. So THATS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH ME.

GOTCHA. IM JUST TRYING TO GET WHAT DOES HAVE TO DO WITH YOU IN PROPER CONTEXT HERE.. So WHEN YOU WATCH THAT VIDEO YOU SAW MR. McMICHAEL GREG McMICHAEL STANDING IN THE BACK OF THE PICK UP TRUCK YES SIR. WITH A PHONE TO HIS EAR. I DONT RECALL.. You DONT RECALL THAT NO SIR., I HAVENT SEEN THAT VIDEO. ITS BEENIC LOOIKE 20, SOMETHING MONTHS.! You DIDNT LISTEN TO THE 911 CALL. He WAS ENGAGED IN AT THE TIME NO SIR.. Last QUESTION.. You WOULD AGREE WITH ME THAT IF THIS QUOTE WERE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT HERE THAT HE SAYS TO YOU IS WHAT HE THINKS HE SAID TO AHMAUD ARBERY. In THE FINAL SECONDS OF THEYRE ENCOUNTER AND HES SAYING IT, WHILE HES ON AN OPEN, 911 CALL THATS RECORDING IT THAT THE BEST FORMER QUESTION SPECULATION. NOT ASKING HIM TO SPECULATE ANYTHING., YOU DIDNT. Even LET ME FINISH THE QUESTION., BUT YOU SOUNDS LIKE A LONG HYPOTHETICAL TO A LAY WITNESS., ITS, NOT A HYPOTHETICAL, YOUR HONOR., ITS ACTUAL FACT. IM ASKING. If I COULD FINISH THE QUESTION, IT WOULD BE VERY CLEAR AND I THINK HELL BE ABLE TO ANSWER. It. LETS FINISH THE QUESTION, BUT BEFORE YOU ANSWER IT GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS WHAT IT IS. SO HES MR. McMICHAELS ON THE SCENE MOMENTS AFTER ALL OF THIS HAS HAPPENED BEING RECORDED ON YOUR BODYCAM, TELLING YOU WHAT HE THINKS HE SAID THE ACTUAL WORDS HE SAID. TO Ahmaud ARBERY. RIGHT, YES, SIR. THATS, WHAT HES DOING HERE.

, YES, SIR., AND SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS A RECORDING OF WHAT HE ACTUALLY SAID WOULD BE MORE RELIABLE THAN EVEN HIS OWN WORDS TO YOU. WOULDNT. You AGREE: OBJECTION. TH, THATS, THE PROGRESS OF THE JURY TO DETERMINE. SUSTAINED ON THAT. OKAY.. Well. Well, LET THEM GET TO THAT PART.! Thank YOU OFFICER, BRADBURY. OOP., JUST ONE SECOND. THATS, MY CO COUNSEL, LAURA HOGUE., WE REP GREG McMICHAEL., AND SO MY QUESTION NOW. My LAST QUESTION IS: IF GREG McMICHAEL HAD SAID ANYTHING TO YOU THAT DAY, THAT IS IN NAY, MATERIALLY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT HE TOLD YOU, THE FIRST, THE SECOND AND THE THIRD TIME YALL WENT THROUGH THE STORY. You WOULD HAVE NOTED THAT IN YOUR REPORT. WOULDNT YOU, I BELIEVE, SO. AGAIN THATS MORE FOR OUR INVESTIGATORS TO LOOK THROUGH THE BODY CAMERA AND THEN HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONING.. But YOU WROTE A REPORT. Yes, I DID. ITS ABOUT A PAGE AND A LITTLE MORE LONG.. Yes, SIR. YOUVE SEEN IT. YES, SIR. YOUVE REVIEWED IT., YES SIR. AND YOU DIDNT NOTE IN IT ANY PLACE WHERE GREG McMICHAELS THREE TIMES THROUGH THE STORY DIFFERED IN NAY WAY. DID YOU AH ID HAVE TO LOOK AT MY REPORT. ILL? Let YOU LOOK AT IT.. Ive GOT A COPY., OH YOU DO YES, SIR.. Take A LOOK AT IT. ABOUT A PAGE. Long. READ ALL THE THINGS. You NEED TO. LONG PAUSE. To ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. No SIR, I DID NOT., YOU DID NOT WHAT HAVE ANY CHANGE IN HIS TESTIMONY.

AND IF HE HAD, YOU WOULD HAVE NOTATED THAT. CORRECT. I ASSUME THAT YES, SIR., THANK YOU. Sir. IM JASON SHEFFIELD REPRESENT TRAVIS. OKAY., WE HAVENT TALKED YET. Have WE NO SIR.? There WAS A PART YOU WERE JUST ASKED ABOUT BY MR. HOGUE PREVIOUS ABOUT THOSE STATEMENTS, STOP GODDAMNIT AND WERE YOU KIND OF GOING THROUGH THAT A MOMENT, AGO. RIGHT. ONE THING YOU HAVENT NOTED YET AND YOU HAVENT BEEN ASKED TO HELP CLARIFY THAT ISSUE IS THE FOLLOWING. You UNDERSTAND THAT AT SOME POINT, YOURE HERE ON BURFORD. UH, HUH. THERES AN INTERACTION THAT TAKES PLACE HERE ON BURFORD, WHERE GREG SAYS HE GETS OUT OF THE TRUCK GETS DOWN AND CLIMBS IN THE BACK.. Yes, SIR. WITHIN YOUR REPORT THERE WITHIN THE TRANSCRIPT THAT YOUVE GOT GREG, ACTUALLY SAYS TO YOU THAT THEY HAUL ASS AROUND.. Do YOU RECALL THAT YES SIR., I BELIEVE IN CONTEXT THAT WAS THEY SAID THAT HE TURNED BACK TOWARDS HOLMES AND THEY CAME AROUND TO HEAD HIM. Off. YES., SO YOU WERE TOLD THAT DAY THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAULED ASS AROUND AND CAME OUT THIS WAY, YES SIR. AND THAT KIND OF CLEARS UP THE BURFORD AND THE HOLMES ISSUE., BECAUSE GREG WAS TELLING YOU.. We HAULED ASS AROUND AND CAME OUT THIS WAY. AND THATS BURFORD. HELPING THE JURY UNDERSTAND THAT LAST INTERACTION HAPPENS ON HOLMES. THATS, MY UNDERSTANDING. OKAY. VERY GOOD.. Now YOU ALSO HAD A CONVERSATION WITH OFFICER MINSHEW THAT DAY., DO YOU RECALL SPEAKING WITH HIM A LITTLE BIT TOWARDS THE END OF THE DAY I DONT RECALL.

, YOU DONT, RECALL SPEAKING WITH HIM. Okay. PUT THE VIDEO UP HERE ON THIS YET OR I CAN USE MINE. OKAY. INAUDIBLE. So DO YOU RECOGNIZE THIS AS THE START OF YOUR BODYCAM VIDEO, YES, SIR., OKAY. AND YOURE WALKING UP HERE OVER INTO THE SIDE? Grass.? Is THAT OFFICER KAITLYN ROBERTS WALKING IN FRONT OF YOU? Yes SIR. AND YOU AND OFFICER ROBERTS? You HAVE A CONVERSATION THAT, BECAUSE YOU WERE BACK WITH THE DEPARTMENT THAT YOU WERE GOING TO KIND OF GET INVOLVED IN THIS CASE A LITTLE BIT AND WORK THE CASE. A LITTLE BIT YES SIR.. In FACT, SHE TOLD ME THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE MY CASE, THE WHOLE INITIAL REPORT AND EVERYTHING.. The WHOLE THING WAS GOING TO BE YOUR CASE.. Yes, SIR. BEYOND WHAT YOU DID NO SIR.. I WAS GOING TO BE. Do THE INITIAL REPORT AND THE OTHERS ON SCENE WOULD DO SUPPLEMENTAL.? You WOULD BE LEEZ OFFICER ON THE CASE. Yes, SIR. DID THAT PAN OUT, YOU WERE LEAD OFFICER ON THE CASE MORE OR LESS FOR THE INITIAL REPORT. THE INITIAL REPORT. OKAY. SOUNDS NOT ON YET. CORRECT., CORRECT., THATS OFFICER, YOURE, PASSING OFFICER MINSHEW. ON THE LEFT. Yes, SIR. AND FINISHING UP THE CRIME SCENE, CORRECT. Yes, SIR. ALL RIGHT. NOW AT THIS POINT HAD ALREADY BEEN TOLD THAT TRAVIS McMICHAEL WAS OVER HERE, YOU DONT KNOW WHO THIS GUY IS. I HAVE NO IDEA WHO THAT GENTLEMAN IS. AND YOURE SORT OF THE TOING OR ROBERTS AT THIS POINT FOLLOWING ON THE SCENE.

. Do YOU KNOW IF SHES BEEN TOLD SOMETHING ABOUT THIS GENTLEMAN? I HAVE NO IDEA., NO IDEA. OKAY.. I KNOW. THIS IS INAUDIBLE SHES, RESPONDING, SAYING I KNOW. JUST BREATHE. KIND OF JUST CALM: DOWN., YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. OKAY., ONE MOMENT. INAUDIBLE, ALL RIGHT. Chris PICTURES OF YOU FIRST. DO WHATEVER YOU GOT TO DO., GET SOME PHOTOS ALL RIGHT. ACE. This POINT SHES TELLING HIM NEED TO TAKE PICTURES OF YOU, HIS RESPAWN JUST DO WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO DO. RIGHT. Yes, SIR. YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH HIM HES BEING COOPERATIVE YES., I MEAN YES, SIR., YEAH. HES, NOT TRYING TO LEAVE THE SCENE TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE OR TO TAKE OUT ANY KIND OF EVIDENCE TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE., NOT AT THAT POINT. CORRECT.. And AT THAT POINT YOU MOVE OFF AND YOU GO DO SOMETHING ELSE: CORRECT. ALL RIGHT.. You WANT TO LOOK AT YOUR TRANSCRIPT ON PAGE ‘. AND MAYBE EVEN BEFORE THAT ON PAGE 38.. Does THIS REFRESH YOUR MEMORY ABOUT HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH OFFICER MINSHEW, LOOK AT THE BOTTOM OF 38 AND KIND OF GO INTO THE TOP OF ‘. LONG PAUSE OKAY. HAVING YOU READ THAT REFRESHED YOUR MEMORY THAT YOU HAD A CONVERSATION WITH OFFICER MINSHEW., ROUGHLY YES, SIR. OKAY.! So, AS THE OFFICER WHOS GOING TO CULL ON THE SCENE AND WRITE THE INITIAL REPORT, YOU ARE KEEN TO TRY TO GET UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IN THE WORLD HAS HAPPENED. Yes, SIR. CORRECT. OKAY.. That INCLUDES YOU KNOW. Who ARE THESE TWO GENTLEMEN THAT WERE SEEING HERE ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.

, WHO IS THE INDIVIDUAL LYING IN THE ROAD.? Correct? Yes, SIR. YOURE, BEGINNING TO START TO PIECE SOME THINGS TOGETHER SO THAT, AS YOU WRITE YOUR REPORT, YOU CAN BE AS DETAILED AS YOU CAN BE. CORRECT, YES, SIR. AND BE ACCURATE AS YOU CAN BE. Yes, SIR. OKAY.. So ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU WERE DISCUSSING WITH OFFICER MINSHEW WAS THAT HE WAS ESSENTIALLY THE FIRST OFFICER TO ARRIVE ON THE SCENE., YES SIR., AND HOW CLOSE HE WAS TO THE SCENE WHEN THE SHOOTING TOOK PLACE.. Yes, SIR. ALL RIGHT., SO PART OF HE WAS EXPLAINING TO YOU. You CAN SORT OF SEE IT AS YOURE READING IT, BUT HES KIND OF EXPLAINING TO YOU WHERE I OBJECT AT THIS POINT IN TIME. ASKED AND ANSWERED, AND MINSHEWS ALREADY BEEN ASKED ABOUT THIS TOPIC. INAPPROPRIATE TO ASK THIS WITNESS ABOUT THIS TOPIC. ITS NOT., ITS ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE That IS CORROBORATIVE OF THE PRIOR TESTIMONY TO THE STATE STATE CHALLENGED THAT TESTIMONY IM SEEKING TO CORROBORATE IT. ITS OVERRULED. GO AHEAD., SO HE WAS STANDING THERE AT THAT TIME, KIND OF EXPLAINING TO YOU WHERE HE WAS WHEN HE HEARD THE SHOTS. RIGHT RIGHT. TALKING ABOUT JUST Being JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF SOME BUSHES. UH HUH. RIGHT, YES, SIR. AND THEN BOOTH., HE COMES AROUND THAT BUSH AND NOW HE SEES THE WHOLE SCENE.. Yes, SIR. OKAY., ALSO SPEAKING WITH YOU ABOUT THE INFORMATION THAT HE HAD GATHERED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MR. ARBERY AND HIS INVOLVEMENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OKAY.

RIGHT, SURE., YES, SIR. OKAY., AND HOW THE McMICHAELS OR HOW THESE GENTLEMEN WERE INVOLVED. With THE ISSUE DEALING WITH MR. ARBERY. In THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BEING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SEVERAL TIMES ET CETERA., YES SIR., I MEAN I WAS TOLD THAT MR. MR. McMICHAELS, AS WELL. RIGHT., ALL PART OF YOUR DATA GATHERING RIGHT. Yes, YES, SIR., OKAY., VERY GOOD., ONE MOMENT PLEASE., NO MORE JUDGE., NO QUESTIONS. OKAY. REBUTTAL. Yes, SIR. ALL RIGHT., SO FIRST OFF LETS TALK ABOUT YOUR REPORT. YES MAAM., ALL RIGHT., SO YOUR FIELD, TRAINING OFFICER ON YOUR SECOND DAY BACK AT WORK, WHILE YOU HAVE A HEAD COLD, TELLS YOU YOURE GOING TO BE LEAD ON THIS CASE.. Yes, SIR.. I MEAN YES, MAAM. ASHAS, YOU RIGHT UP A REPORT. Yes MAAM.. How MUCH PAGES IS IT A PAGE AND SOME CHANGE MAYBE. OKAY.

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